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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. I said they never forced any money from you. Speaking of making things up . . .
    Word challenged? Forcing money from me or taking money from me means the same thing.



    Indeed you did:
    This is what I said:
    Shows how little you know. When they are able to pay taxes at a lower rate, that sure isn't giving me money! They are benefitting from our government, and I am paying a higher rate to support their benefits.

    Paying a higher rate does not equate to paying higher taxes. They pay higher taxes, but they are being taxed at a lower rate.


    Probably, if this is the quality of your bringin' it.
    On second thought, that might still be too challenging for you.



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Word challenged? Forcing money from me or taking money from me means the same thing.





    This is what I said:
    Shows how little you know. When they are able to pay taxes at a lower rate, that sure isn't giving me money! They are benefitting from our government, and I am paying a higher rate to support their benefits.

    Paying a higher rate does not equate to paying higher taxes. They pay higher taxes, but they are being taxed at a lower rate.



    On second thought, that might still be too challenging for you.
    the people you whine about pay for far more than they use. if they get tax cuts they still pay for far more than they use



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people you whine about pay for far more than they use. if they get tax cuts they still pay for far more than they use


    That is the quote of the day, easily. Every time the government protects those same people from having all their stuff stolen, they are "using" it. Every time they collect a royalty or earn income from a patent they are "using" government-enforced protections. Every time they hide behind corporate personhood to avoid personal liability for their negligent actions in their businesses (thus preserving their assets from a civil judgement), they are "using" the government. The rich use the government to shield billions from legitimate civil judgments. Shall I go on?

    TD, the rich get far more use out of the government than the poor do. It takes a pathetically shallow understanding of economics to think otherwise.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I did not say <that would increase taxes on lower income people.>

    i did say that <fair tax” that is being touted, is anything but fair>though.
    You didn't say that would increase taxes on lower income people?

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    A forty-cent Federal tax, in addition to state and local taxes, on a two-dollar loaf of bread would sure get the underachievers humping wouldn’t it?
    Just for good measure...

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post


    That is the quote of the day, easily. Every time the government protects those same people from having all their stuff stolen, they are "using" it. Every time they collect a royalty or earn income from a patent they are "using" government-enforced protections. Every time they hide behind corporate personhood to avoid personal liability for their negligent actions in their businesses (thus preserving their assets from a a civil judgement), they are "using" the government. Shall I go on?

    TD, the rich get far more use out of the government than the poor do. It takes a pathetically shallow understanding of economics to think otherwise.
    I guess you haven't done much research-police calls in almost every major city are far more likely in poor areas

    most of those who are the victim of crime are not the rich. rich people live in safe areas, with good police departments paid for by property taxes. they tend to have alarms and in some cases private guards. many of them are well armed

    your claims are pathetically shallow and given 47% pay no FEDERAL INCOME TAX its going to take some Obama math on your part to explain how 47% pay for less than they use and the rich pay for less than they use etc

    the rich have to pay for far more than they use because just about everyone else does not

    you just make stuff up and assume its true

    I want you to prove your claims that the rich use more

    you cannot

    but its easy to prove that direct government expenditures on the poor and the middle class far outweigh what those groups pay in the taxes that fund such expenditures. you are merely speculating about indirect benefits



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    My point is that you need to quit whining and grow up. When you do that you can then see the light and realize that the government is raping everyone in the ass.
    Sounds to me like you have a problem with logic. You tell me to quit whining and grow up and then you go and whine that the government is raping everyone in the ass. Sounds like whining to me. Why don't you take your own advice?

    And there will be no stop to that until the government is put into check and limited to what it can take from its citizens.
    Maybe you will open your eyes and realize that a lot of the money is going to corporations, and the Republican party is so damn willing to do so. Why don't you whine about that?

    Yes that is life. Misery, inequality, all a part of life. The same can be said about happiness, love, etc. The point is that we as complex MAMMALS can CHOOSE to be happy.
    Why don't you choose to be happy, then, instead of whining about the government taking your money?

    Regardless of what our material wealth is most people in this nation have food, a roof over their head. And if they do not it is because they are morons with money or because they just are stupid.
    That is the mentality of the greedy Republicans. Don't you realize there are a lot of Republicans that are poor and needy? Not only are they morons with money or stupid (as you claim), they don't care that their party is the one that would take away the programs that help them.

    Ok, because most of the crap you post is better? I didn't think so.
    Learn the English language, so your posts are understandable.

    Quit posting crap from some extremist organization that if they had power the leaders would be just as corrupt as the ones we currently have now.
    What the hell are you babbling about. I don't belong to any extremist organization.

    And frankly taxing the hell out of everyone so that you can provide food, housing, healthcare for everyone is a dumb idea.
    What you fail to realize is that assuring that everyone in the nation is healthy is a plus for everyone. You would be the first one to scream at the government if some virus or disease were to strike and they didn't provide serum for everyone. Most Republicans are too dumb to realize that not giving a damn about others only ends up hurting the rest of us. When we didn't healthcare, the people that didn't have insurance were still going to the Emergency room and getting some kind of too-late treatment, and guess who was paying for it. You apparently do not know what you are talking about, just repeating the conservative mantra.

    That just makes everyone dependent on the government and that makes them weak.
    Programs that give incentives to work doesn't make people weak, it makes them strong and be able to stand on their own too feet. Taking everything away from them ends up costing us more, but your simple mind can't take that in.


    READ the sources you have posted. All are complaining about rich people and how they have so much money and how much money they make compare to everyone else. What is their equality that everyone earns six figures? That is stupid and frankly it is complaining about not having enough money, ie not rich.
    Like I thought, you haven't understood the gist of the comments. It isn't that they are rich and we envy their wealth, it is that they are getting a free pass from the government to pay lower rates, not their fair share. Anyone that is okay with that is just plain dumb.

    No instead of playing you want to steal that is always better than playing by the rules and doing it with your head. You instead like the government want to do it with force.
    Maybe you want to repost that last comment after you've had time for it to wear off. I didn't understand a word you said, "instead of playing I want to steal" and "playing by the rules and doing it with my head"?? What the hell are you saying?



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people you whine about pay for far more than they use. if they get tax cuts they still pay for far more than they use

    That is what you keep saying, but you haven't offered any concrete proof. I keep providing you with information that says the opposite, but like a good sheeple, you keep ignoring it and holding on to what they taught you.



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Maybe you want to repost that last comment after you've had time for it to wear off. I didn't understand a word you said, "instead of playing I want to steal" and "playing by the rules and doing it with my head"?? What the hell are you saying?
    I've gotta side mertex on this one.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    You didn't say that would increase taxes on lower income people?



    Just for good measure...

    Sorry that you misunderstood that post….I was referring to attorneys.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Sounds to me like you have a problem with logic. You tell me to quit whining and grow up and then you go and whine that the government is raping everyone in the ass. Sounds like whining to me. Why don't you take your own advice?
    lol sounds to me like you have reading comprehension. I am not posting anything related to political extremists. If anything I am more of a moderate with little need for government assistance. But when they are needed they are needed that is all.


    Maybe you will open your eyes and realize that a lot of the money is going to corporations, and the Republican party is so damn willing to do so. Why don't you whine about that?
    Um, again with republicans/corporations I am beginning to understand your narrow mindness better. I do not like to see any corruption but to say that is the government takes more money that will make them........what? More approachable, more transparent? Jeez if that were the case then the 3Trillion dollars they took should make them the most transparent government in the world because they take in more money than most nations GDP.


    Why don't you choose to be happy, then, instead of whining about the government taking your money?
    I am happy until a moron like yourself tries to STEAL more money from a household of mine. You have no idea how to be happy so when you mention happiness I laugh.


    That is the mentality of the greedy Republicans. Don't you realize there are a lot of Republicans that are poor and needy? Not only are they morons with money or stupid (as you claim), they don't care that their party is the one that would take away the programs that help them.
    I never mentioned about not helping people. They already have the money to help out people but they do it recklessly. Which is the problem that you and no one else likes to admit.


    Learn the English language, so your posts are understandable.
    What I am speaking is American. Learn some culture so you do not come off as a hidious mundane human.


    What the hell are you babbling about. I don't belong to any extremist organization.
    Ok, congrats on reading what sources you post.


    What you fail to realize is that assuring that everyone in the nation is healthy is a plus for everyone. You would be the first one to scream at the government if some virus or disease were to strike and they didn't provide serum for everyone. Most Republicans are too dumb to realize that not giving a damn about others only ends up hurting the rest of us. When we didn't healthcare, the people that didn't have insurance were still going to the Emergency room and getting some kind of too-late treatment, and guess who was paying for it. You apparently do not know what you are talking about, just repeating the conservative mantra.
    What you fail to realize is that most democrats want guns out of peoples hands. So if a zombie plague ever came. We would all be defenseless. Honestly you have no idea what you are talking about.


    Programs that give incentives to work doesn't make people weak, it makes them strong and be able to stand on their own too feet. Taking everything away from them ends up costing us more, but your simple mind can't take that in.
    Your stupid mind does not understand how greedy people are. Regardless if they are poor or not. I have real world experiences with section 8 unlike yourself. That has none. Most section 8 tenants are fraudsters. And the government protects them because they are the "unfortunate poor".



    Like I thought, you haven't understood the gist of the comments. It isn't that they are rich and we envy their wealth, it is that they are getting a free pass from the government to pay lower rates, not their fair share. Anyone that is okay with that is just plain dumb.
    Maybe you do not understand what is rich. The really rich will not see any significant increase. The people who will are those households that do not rich but almost there.



    Maybe you want to repost that last comment after you've had time for it to wear off. I didn't understand a word you said, "instead of playing I want to steal" and "playing by the rules and doing it with my head"?? What the hell are you saying?
    I guess you would not understand. There are things primates don't.
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