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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    I do not agree with the current model of our welfare system either.

    The whole "If the tax rate goes up I am leaving the country" statement I beleive justifies my statement regarding the prior statment. Um yeah.
    Good for you for working hard.

    Charity work. I beleive our taxes are not well spent.

    Either that statement is fuzzy or I need to stop drinking my Jack and Coke and go to bed. Maybe its the question marks. I think your answering your question and asking another. While I do agree that there are more wealthy I do not agree that the middle class is stronger under a trickle down economic model. In fact it widens the gap between wealthy and poor. As seen by receint data.[/QUOTE]

    Let me get this straight. You don't agree with our current welfare system, but you do think we need to forcibly take money from the rich and give it to the poor in order to increase the size of the middle class. You believe that our taxes are not well spent, yet you don't understand why someone would be bitter about being asked to have more of their money wasted. You don't agree that the trickle down economic model works for the middle class, so I have to assume that you are perfectly ok with having the government decide who the winners and losers will be by how they spend the additional tax dollars that your are ok with them taking.

    I'm thoroughly confused.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    So how would you describe trickle down economics?
    You said "'Give the money to the wealthy so that they can hire others' was tried and where did that lead us."

    Seventeen minutes later, you said "I never claimed they did (gave the rich money). I have a great deal of respect for anyone who takes a chance and opens a business. That is to me the American dream. Far to few people try."

    I could swear you have an alter ego. Regardless, I'll ask this question: Why do far too few people take a chance and open a business? Could it be they feel the risks outweigh the rewards? Why do you feel that arbitrarily increasing the risks and decreasing the rewards will encourage more of the behavior you are looking for?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    So how would you describe trickle down economics?
    On second thought, I'll just use your description..."Macro Economics"


    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    ....Macro econ. Whenever you have a high per capita income country trading with a low per capita income in a free trade system then things will try to ballance out. Jobs and income will flow from the wealthy country to the less wealthy one....

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    You said "'Give the money to the wealthy so that they can hire others' was tried and where did that lead us."

    Seventeen minutes later, you said "I never claimed they did (gave the rich money). I have a great deal of respect for anyone who takes a chance and opens a business. That is to me the American dream. Far to few people try."

    I could swear you have an alter ego. Regardless, I'll ask this question: Why do far too few people take a chance and open a business? Could it be they feel the risks outweigh the rewards? Why do you feel that arbitrarily increasing the risks and decreasing the rewards will encourage more of the behavior you are looking for?
    Since you have an issue with my quote for Trickle down I will use another. "Horse and sparrow", of course thats equally offencive.

    I do not beleive it is easy to start a business and make it successful. It is in fact very hard. I commend anyone who does it. I am a supporter of everyone opening up a business and beleive it is the true american dream. It is very difficult for anyone to make true wealth working for someone else. But, if you make 450k and complain about paying taxes when we are at historic lows then you come off sounding selfish. So here is a simple question. With a rising debt that is now over 13 trillion how would YOU pay for it?

    Your post after this one says "Macro Economics". It shows that you struggle with the concept of the issue. Your second quote from me was in regards to our current trade policy not trickle down economics. If you want to discuss that I will be happy to educate you.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Good for you for working hard.

    Charity work. I beleive our taxes are not well spent.

    Either that statement is fuzzy or I need to stop drinking my Jack and Coke and go to bed. Maybe its the question marks. I think your answering your question and asking another. While I do agree that there are more wealthy I do not agree that the middle class is stronger under a trickle down economic model. In fact it widens the gap between wealthy and poor. As seen by receint data.
    Let me get this straight. You don't agree with our current welfare system, but you do think we need to forcibly take money from the rich and give it to the poor in order to increase the size of the middle class. You believe that our taxes are not well spent, yet you don't understand why someone would be bitter about being asked to have more of their money wasted. You don't agree that the trickle down economic model works for the middle class, so I have to assume that you are perfectly ok with having the government decide who the winners and losers will be by how they spend the additional tax dollars that your are ok with them taking.

    I'm thoroughly confused.[/QUOTE]

    nice destruction of what appears to be a disengenuous argument



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Let me get this straight. You don't agree with our current welfare system, but you do think we need to forcibly take money from the rich and give it to the poor in order to increase the size of the middle class. You believe that our taxes are not well spent, yet you don't understand why someone would be bitter about being asked to have more of their money wasted. You don't agree that the trickle down economic model works for the middle class, so I have to assume that you are perfectly ok with having the government decide who the winners and losers will be by how they spend the additional tax dollars that your are ok with them taking.

    I'm thoroughly confused.
    Hey Turtle,

    I do not agree with our welfare system as it is. There are better ways of providing a stop gap for people who need short term help.

    I do not agree with taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. I agree with a progressive tax and sensible speding that does not enable people who can work but choose not to.

    I do believe there is waist in government and everyone should be bitter about that.

    I do not agree with trickle down economics as a way to strengthen the middle class. I 100% do not want the government deciding who wins and looses.

    We need to cut spending, review our traid agreements, truely collect all of the taxes owed, stop giving big business money and have serious campaign finance reform. That would be a great start.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    Hey Turtle,

    I do not agree with our welfare system as it is. There are better ways of providing a stop gap for people who need short term help.

    I do not agree with taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. I agree with a progressive tax and sensible speding that does not enable people who can work but choose not to.

    I do believe there is waist in government and everyone should be bitter about that.

    I do not agree with trickle down economics as a way to strengthen the middle class. I 100% do not want the government deciding who wins and looses.

    We need to cut spending, review our traid agreements, truely collect all of the taxes owed, stop giving big business money and have serious campaign finance reform. That would be a great start.
    you miss the main problem with a progressive income tax-that it allows politicians to continue to buy the votes of the many by raising the taxes on those who already pay too much leading to more government and an unsustainable house of cards.

    to get rid of the mess we have to get rid of the tax system that encourages more and more government

    as long as most people don't think they are going to have to be taxed more they never will have any incentive to stop voting in those who give them what they want-paid for by others



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you miss the main problem with a progressive income tax-that it allows politicians to continue to buy the votes of the many by raising the taxes on those who already pay too much leading to more government and an unsustainable house of cards.

    to get rid of the mess we have to get rid of the tax system that encourages more and more government

    as long as most people don't think they are going to have to be taxed more they never will have any incentive to stop voting in those who give them what they want-paid for by others
    Most economists agree that if we moved to a consumption tax that it would need to be about 20%. How then does somoene who makes 20k afford the new 5k in taxes presuming they need to spend 100% of thier income to live. Its not a far fetched situation. Today they would pay about $2,750 so their taxes have just about doubled.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    Most economists agree that if we moved to a consumption tax that it would need to be about 20%. How then does somoene who makes 20k afford the new 5k in taxes presuming they need to spend 100% of thier income to live. Its not a far fetched situation. Today they would pay about $2,750 so their taxes have just about doubled.
    well most consumption tax proposals exempt necessities

    still beats the current system and the fact that it is unsustainable

    we make it way too comfortable to be an underachiever in this society



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well most consumption tax proposals exempt necessities

    still beats the current system and the fact that it is unsustainable

    we make it way too comfortable to be an underachiever in this society
    A forty-cent Federal tax, in addition to state and local taxes, on a two-dollar loaf of bread would sure get the underachievers humping wouldn’t it?
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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