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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Census finds record gap between rich and poor



    Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

    Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
    I seriously doubt the accuracy of these articles. I am in a family that earns more than 200,000 dollars a year. And honestly we should be some of the last that needs to pay higher taxes as seeing as to how close to 80,000 already goes to taxes and then you need to add money that is needed when bad tenants do not want to pay, etc. Money flies and what are we left with is an uncertain amount and the worse part is that now the government wants TO CONTINUE raising money. And for what? Because they drew all of us into a big hole that they cannot get out of without stopping to spend money. The government doesn't care about what it does to families like ours or even decent families. What they care are about stats and that is NOT a good thing to go on. Trust me people will not stop complaining that is human nature. But really I doubt that the wealthiest(those who earn over 100k) of individuals all earned the same pay raise. Because be realistic, people like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates ALL earn nine figures or more easily. And that tends on shooting up the stats for the "rich".

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think that is just so much garbage. I don't know anyone who is laying down and wanting to be cared for. not saying you might not find someone, but I know of nothing that hows a significant number of peope are laying down. Again, any OBJECTIVE evidence?
    Hell Ive seen people HERE on this site say as much...why would I go to work for less than what the government will pay me? Employers in Detroit have said it...they have construction jobs but cant get people to work for less than what their unemployment will pay. People that by golly went to school to be a comptroller and are going to hold out til they find a good paying comptroller job. Call it garbage if you will but there is a REASON why those people hit the end of their rainbow and STILL dont have jobs...and now dont have the taxpayers to pay for them. There is a reason why actual unemployment is significantly higher than

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that's true. I don't think Woody Allen could have ever been Micheal Jorden. People have real limitations both personally and societally. When a group has a hill to claimb, for example, it is not reasonable to expect all will be able to claimb that hill. Only the exceptal will. One of the problems with American mythology is that it blinds some to the real obstacles people face, and allow the ignorant to blame people for things that may not be their fault. heck, many even blame themselfs too harshly.

    Now, this doesn't mean we give up. But we should at least understand the difficulties and know that some will fail, even if they try.
    Woody Allen couldnt have been Michael Jordan, but Spudd Webb could be Spudd Webb. And maybe Woody isnt good enough to play pro ball so he works his ass off to become Jeff Van Gundy...successful still working in the basketball realm. You may not be able to BE Bill Gates but nothing would stop you from creating a successful computer store or becoming a promrammer, or designer. You cant be the queen OF England but you can be a queen IN England. Or...you can make excuses why you cant succeed. And then blame the rich people for stealing your money hopes and dreams.

    Nope...not buying it. You fail because you didnt work to succeed...Because mommy and daddy pampered you and didnt expect you to succeed. Because you made a bunch of stupid decisions that got in the way of your success. A million excuses...but they arent on the rich...they are on the individual.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Redistribution of wealth is when the rich steal from the poor.
    This is absurd on its face, ans the poor, by definition, have nothing to steal.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is absurd on its face, ans the poor, by definition, have nothing to steal.
    Hell Im just waiting to see how the other rich are doing it because apparently Im doing it wrong. Im working several jobs, going to school, saving money, creating a great present and positive future. Hell...who knew all I had to do is knock some weenie poor person down and steal their government lunch money.

    Its whiney liberal class warfare bull****. Its ridiculous on its face, pathetic to the core. Wah...its not my fault...the rich stole my money...

    Good lord...grow a set.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can you demonstrate objectively (not subjectively) that the government is what is killing the middle class?
    Sure. Higher taxes. Fewer jobs. Those conditions are murdering the middle class.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is absurd on its face, ans the poor, by definition, have nothing to steal.
    So you don't think a man's labor is worth anything? Have you ever heard of slavery? Stealing another man's labor is by definition slavery.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So you don't think a man's labor is worth anything? Have you ever heard of slavery? Stealing another man's labor is by definition slavery.
    and some of the rich don't mind stealing labor....if we are to believe some who post here, lower taxes on the rich is the only way to grow jobs. That is simple minded thinking. The rich get lower taxes, and offer lower wages to the desperate, and then feel like they have done a good thing.
    Altho I totally agree that many have not prepared for their future and deserve their situation, I also have seen upper management screw technicians and engineers out of fair wages so there would be more money left in the "basket" for themselves.
    Twice the place I last worked did that. Hired a bunch of engineers one time, a bunch of techs later on. When the new hires found out how lowly they had been hired compared to lazy non-producers already in the group, there was a lot of friction. management had to boost wages a lot all at once, or lose the new hires....
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So you don't think a man's labor is worth anything? Have you ever heard of slavery? Stealing another man's labor is by definition slavery.
    Without mentioning the Koch brothers, Glenn Beck, or the tea party, please explain how people are "stealing labor" or otherwise forcing people into slavery by virtue of being high earners.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is absurd on its face, ans the poor, by definition, have nothing to steal.
    They steal sweat equity. In other words, they steal time and effort. You can pay the poor dirt cheap to work for you and because they are poor they will take work where they can get it at whatever wage they can get it.

    The wealthy make a lot of money off the sweat equity of the working poor. And it is sweat equity that ultimately matters, because no matter how much capital you have, if you don't have sweat equity you have no production.

    And of course the wealthy will do everything in their power to maintain the gap between rich and poor, because then they can pay lower wages and make more money off the sweat equity of the poor. It benefits them immensely to do so.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 09-28-10 at 08:37 PM.

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