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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Redistribution of wealth is when the rich steal from the poor. History has proven that too much money concentrated in the hands of a few creates an authoritarian, corporate, oligarchy and which are always tyrannical. But the way most rightwingers refer to "redistrubtion of wealth" is straight out of the extremist John Birch Society handbook.
    Redistribution of wealth, is also when the government punishes success, so they can provide welfare checks for people who are too damned lazy to get out and get a job.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, but we are bette roff as a country with a strong middle class. Having a huge divide where there are rich and poor and not much inbetween is a bad sign for the country overall.
    The government can't create that middle class.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its not a little bit funny. The liberals have this mind set that the poor have failed because the rich steal from them. Good lord...what a joke. The poor FAIL because they did a piss poor job of preparing themselves for a future. They didnt work in high school. They didnt plan on positive careers. They didnt recognize they screwed up and then set about to work twice as hard to build a future for themselves and their family. They didnt take advantages of the numerous programs out there to help people succeed. No...they failed because they failed. Period. And the democrats feed them little crumbs and tell them "dont worry, dear pathetic little voter...its not your fault, dear little dependent voter...its the rich that STOLE from you. We'll take care of you. We'll make everything right. Just keep voting us back into office and we'll fix everything..."

    Pathetic. Just ****ing pathetic.
    Not sure I accept your view of what the left, whoever they are, think, but I know I don't accept your view of every failure. Do you really believe everyone can be doctors and lawyers? Are there no limitations in life? No margin for error. No place where good people get it wrong or suffer form circumstance?

    While some maybe to forgiving, I find your view just as misguided in the other direction.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The government can't create that middle class.
    Not saying they can. But like anything else, they can be supportive or hindering. And I am saying we, the people, should be concerned about a shrinking middle class.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not saying they can. But like anything else, they can be supportive or hindering. And I am saying we, the people, should be concerned about a shrinking middle class.
    We should be concerned how our current government is killing the middle class.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We should be concerned how our current government is killing the middle class.
    Can you demonstrate objectively (not subjectively) that the government is what is killing the middle class?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure I accept your view of what the left, whoever they are, think, but I know I don't accept your view of every failure. Do you really believe everyone can be doctors and lawyers? Are there no limitations in life? No margin for error. No place where good people get it wrong or suffer form circumstance?

    While some maybe to forgiving, I find your view just as misguided in the other direction.
    People can acheive anything they set out to acheive. Obviously not everyone ASPIRES to be a doctor. But the only barrier is themselves and their own personal drive and motivation. I dont care what your family background is. If you decide you will by damn succeed then you will. That takes a willingness to follow the economy, the industries, the markets. And it takes work...hard work and sacrifice. But I guarandamntee ya...if you have failed in life you have NO ONE to blame but yourself.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can you demonstrate objectively (not subjectively) that the government is what is killing the middle class?
    Providing incentive to not work, to not excel, to lay down and be taken care of. The unlimited extension of unemployment benfits is a good place to start. Just as a start.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Providing incentive to not work, to not excel, to lay down and be taken care of. The unlimited extension of unemployment benfits is a good place to start. Just as a start.
    I think that is just so much garbage. I don't know anyone who is laying down and wanting to be cared for. not saying you might not find someone, but I know of nothing that hows a significant number of peope are laying down. Again, any OBJECTIVE evidence?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    People can acheive anything they set out to acheive. Obviously not everyone ASPIRES to be a doctor. But the only barrier is themselves and their own personal drive and motivation. I dont care what your family background is. If you decide you will by damn succeed then you will. That takes a willingness to follow the economy, the industries, the markets. And it takes work...hard work and sacrifice. But I guarandamntee ya...if you have failed in life you have NO ONE to blame but yourself.
    Not sure that's true. I don't think Woody Allen could have ever been Micheal Jorden. People have real limitations both personally and societally. When a group has a hill to claimb, for example, it is not reasonable to expect all will be able to claimb that hill. Only the exceptal will. One of the problems with American mythology is that it blinds some to the real obstacles people face, and allow the ignorant to blame people for things that may not be their fault. heck, many even blame themselfs too harshly.

    Now, this doesn't mean we give up. But we should at least understand the difficulties and know that some will fail, even if they try.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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