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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    I dont. The government is there only to serve the people. A business only exists to make money. Our government may fail at times, maybe often but I do beleive its an evil we have to live with. It just needs to be small and not get involved with morals.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You have a six figure retirement income--including social security--and you some how have the gawl to claim that rich folks are stealing?

    Really?!?
    Six figure retirement income and you call him a Marxist.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    Six figure retirement income and you call him a Marxist.
    apdst doesn't understand the many ways to accumulate retirement income. He thinks drawing a company retirement (small), AND social security AND navy retirement all at once is illegal. Millions of people are doing it, have been for a long, long time...
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    apdst doesn't understand the many ways to accumulate retirement income. He thinks drawing a company retirement (small), AND social security AND navy retirement all at once is illegal. Millions of people are doing it, have been for a long, long time...
    The poor lad is easily confused Bill.I guess we gotta give him some slack.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    apdst doesn't understand the many ways to accumulate retirement income. He thinks drawing a company retirement (small), AND social security AND navy retirement all at once is illegal. Millions of people are doing it, have been for a long, long time...
    Nevermind that McCain is married to an heiress and has plenty of assets, he is now collecting social security and he will also get retirement from being a US senator. Everyone who paid into social security, collects social security, no matter if they have a separate pension or retirement fund. For most people, social Security isn't enough to live on, so it would be foolish for anyone to just count on that when they retire.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Nevermind that McCain is married to an heiress and has plenty of assets, he is now collecting social security and he will also get retirement from being a US senator. Everyone who paid into social security, collects social security, no matter if they have a separate pension or retirement fund. For most people, social Security isn't enough to live on, so it would be foolish for anyone to just count on that when they retire.
    My mother never worked outside the home, my father had SS and a union job pension, and the combination was barely enough. Their retirement years were much like their early years, watching every penny. That is no way to live...
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Boo...if the rich continue to excel (get richer) and the poor continue to fail (and are given excuses to fail) then how does ANYONE expect that gap to NOT grow? The reality is that UNLESS the poor shift gears and TRY, they will NEVER succeed. Blaming the rich may make people feeeeel better...but it WILL NOT solve their problems. No amount of handout programs will solve their problems. They HAVE to decide to first and foremost get UP.
    I think many are stuck, not just the few who actually do what you accuse, but those who see things as you do. That any reason has to be an excuse (two very different things). If we know some people will fail, even if all of us are perfect people, we shold plan on how to handle that.

    Let's take a sports analogy. New Orleans and Indy were two pretty good teams in the super Bowl. They worked hard and succeeded. Yet, one lost.

    And while we can probabaly explain why the LA Rams weren't a good football team, they didn't get up and say we just don't want to win. If all the teams were talented, hard working, and run smartly, there would still be last place teams.

    This isn't about blame. Trying to make it about blame misses the point completely. We need a middle class and it is fair to discuss how best to perserve it. To ask, what can we do? And you can do this without demonizing either the wealthy or the poor.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Almost goes without saying, the main cause of "poor" is lack of education, whether it is the fault of the kid, the parents, the schools, whatever.
    There are several ways to succeed, but almost always the best way is thru education.
    Many poor don't see the value of education, many rich just want to pay for their own kids and let the rest remain ignorant.
    We have had so much progress in technology in the last few decades, it is understandable that the education system is lagging in its responsibilities. Hopefully the public will acknowledge that and demand more from govt. Certainly the curriculum needs massaging.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Everyone who paid into social security, collects social security, no matter if they have a separate pension or retirement fund.
    For now. Thanks to the damage that the boomers have done to our country, SS will almost certainly be means-tested by the time my generation gets ready to retire.

    For most people, social Security isn't enough to live on, so it would be foolish for anyone to just count on that when they retire.
    There are tens of millions of people who do just that. 25% of people over 65 get 90+% of their income from SS. 2/3 of people over 65 get 50+% of their income from SS.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    Census finds record gap between rich and poor



    Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

    Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
    Yup, that's to be expected. With the corporate capitalist system we have and the protection of the aristocracy in government; this is really the only way it could be. Of course, continual support of the status quo will just make this even worse. It's a real war on the middle class and economic mobility. Those on top don't want to fall down; thus you must close down mobility. The poor stay poor then and the rules get set up to allow the already established to reap a system of stifled competition. Yay for the Republocrats.
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