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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    I dont. The government is there only to serve the people. A business only exists to make money. Our government may fail at times, maybe often but I do beleive its an evil we have to live with. It just needs to be small and not get involved with morals.

    No other comments on my ideas?
    that is rather naive. Government has a monopoly on the power to legally kill you. A corporation you can usually avoid doing business with,
    those who are in government certainly don't run with the idea of actually serving people in most cases.



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am one who did things right, and some are jealous of that, like your buddy apdst. I did it without whining about taxes all day long. Taxes are the dues you pay for living here. If you don't like the dues here, check out the dues in other countries and you might get a more informed idea of how great the USA is.
    I have been reading the WSJ and financial magazines since about 1980. That is where you find out how the super rich manipulate the market, and the middle class. Some of the magazines applaud the super rich when they take over companies, rape the retirement funds, then part out the business, selling off jobs, in effect. They were putting people on the streets without golden parachutes before you drew your first pay check.
    If you don't watch out for yourself, you can end up having to work into your old age.
    If you want to piss and moan about the uber wealthy-the top 100 or 400 individuals, that is one thing. however, must of your rants paint as nefarious anyone who is in the top tax bracket as needing to be soaked even more. That is idiotic.

    someone makeing a few hundred K a year-even a million a year is alot closer to you in lifestyle and income than someone who is worth billions yet you treat the billionaire and a guy making 500K the same

    that is stupid



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If you want to piss and moan about the uber wealthy-the top 100 or 400 individuals, that is one thing. however, must of your rants paint as nefarious anyone who is in the top tax bracket as needing to be soaked even more. That is idiotic.

    someone makeing a few hundred K a year-even a million a year is alot closer to you in lifestyle and income than someone who is worth billions yet you treat the billionaire and a guy making 500K the same

    that is stupid
    Pissing and moaning, ranting? Sounds more like you....
    Here is a challenge for you, spend the next week posting on DP without labeling, name calling, etc.
    In addition, you might spend time dwelling on what you have, and consider being grateful for the country that has given you so many opportunities.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Pissing and moaning, ranting? Sounds more like you....
    Here is a challenge for you, spend the next week posting on DP without labeling, name calling, etc.
    In addition, you might spend time dwelling on what you have, and consider being grateful for the country that has given you so many opportunities.
    where do you get off saying the country gives people stuff? that is the source of much of your claims Most of us who have done well have done well because we are smart ambitious and talented-nothing that the government gave us
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where do you get off saying the country gives people stuff? that is the source of much of your claims Most of us who have done well have done well because we are smart ambitious and talented-nothing that the government gave us
    The USA gave me an education, for free...well, the taxpayers paid for it, but I gave the Navy over 12 years active duty, 6 more than I was obligated for, then 10 years in the reserves. I got from my childhood home to the Navy via bus and airplane, not at my expense. I lived in a barracks with hot and cold water and electricity. They fed me. There aren't many countries on this planet that afford more opportunities to its people. Nearly all of us have clean water at the taps, reliable gas and electric attached to our homes, and public service employees, like police and firemen, at our service should we need them.
    Some people don't know how to be grateful for what they have, they just want more. How much is enough for these people, I wonder? I do NOT envy the rich, as you keep saying, nor to I give blanket sympathy for the poor. I live among many of the rich, and am related to many "poor". Most of the rich I know got that way by means of personal effort, but they also give credit to God and Govt. Most of the poor I know got that way on their own, and admit it.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The USA gave me an education, for free...well, the taxpayers paid for it, but I gave the Navy over 12 years active duty, 6 more than I was obligated for, then 10 years in the reserves. I got from my childhood home to the Navy via bus and airplane, not at my expense. I lived in a barracks with hot and cold water and electricity. They fed me. There aren't many countries on this planet that afford more opportunities to its people. Nearly all of us have clean water at the taps, reliable gas and electric attached to our homes, and public service employees, like police and firemen, at our service should we need them.
    Some people don't know how to be grateful for what they have, they just want more. How much is enough for these people, I wonder? I do NOT envy the rich, as you keep saying, nor to I give blanket sympathy for the poor. I live among many of the rich, and am related to many "poor". Most of the rich I know got that way by means of personal effort, but they also give credit to God and Govt. Most of the poor I know got that way on their own, and admit it.
    the top 1% make 22% of the income and pay 40% of the income taxes and almost all the estate taxes. At what point do you think they have a right to complain as their share of the income tax load increases?

    22% of the income-22% of the tax burden-that seems fair even if it means 1% is paying probably 10X what they use then.



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the top 1% make 22% of the income and pay 40% of the income taxes and almost all the estate taxes. At what point do you think they have a right to complain as their share of the income tax load increases?

    22% of the income-22% of the tax burden-that seems fair even if it means 1% is paying probably 10X what they use then.
    So what is the answer? Get yourself elected to public office (dictator) and force the rest of the country to accept your idealism? Doesn't work that way....you do the best you can with the choices given you. Govt of, by, for the people doesn't exist the way we think it should be. Given a choice, everybody would refuse to pay taxes. Then where would we be? Anarchy, revolution? You steer the ship of state just the same as you do a real ship, you make small changes in rudder position to change direction. The rich may complain, the middle class may complain, but the fact remains, we will pay the taxes assessed. Spitting into the wind is not the way to make the wind change direction.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The USA gave me an education, for free...well, the taxpayers paid for it, but I gave the Navy over 12 years active duty, 6 more than I was obligated for, then 10 years in the reserves. I got from my childhood home to the Navy via bus and airplane, not at my expense. I lived in a barracks with hot and cold water and electricity. They fed me. There aren't many countries on this planet that afford more opportunities to its people. Nearly all of us have clean water at the taps, reliable gas and electric attached to our homes, and public service employees, like police and firemen, at our service should we need them.
    Some people don't know how to be grateful for what they have, they just want more. How much is enough for these people, I wonder? I do NOT envy the rich, as you keep saying, nor to I give blanket sympathy for the poor. I live among many of the rich, and am related to many "poor". Most of the rich I know got that way by means of personal effort, but they also give credit to God and Govt. Most of the poor I know got that way on their own, and admit it.
    This is the attitude of many people in the government or who worked in it, especially the armed forces. The USA gave me this and that, etc, when you were a burden on the taxpayer more than a benefit. People like you made it clear your loyalty is not to the people of this nation who paid for your salary, benefits, everything, but to a government who has you convinced they were the ones who provided you everything. It is just scary. I am disappointed and won't be surprised if a armed revolution ever comes that the police and soldiers would open fire without any hesitation. And they would kill everything in their way because the "government" gave them everything. Even though it was the work of hardworking individuals with little social security who gave their all to support their families and people like you in the government and your family.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    This is the attitude of many people in the government or who worked in it, especially the armed forces. The USA gave me this and that, etc, when you were a burden on the taxpayer more than a benefit. People like you made it clear your loyalty is not to the people of this nation who paid for your salary, benefits, everything, but to a government who has you convinced they were the ones who provided you everything. It is just scary. I am disappointed and won't be surprised if a armed revolution ever comes that the police and soldiers would open fire without any hesitation. And they would kill everything in their way because the "government" gave them everything. Even though it was the work of hardworking individuals with little social security who gave their all to support their families and people like you in the government and your family.
    WOW, you read a lot between the lines, and then you extrapolate between the lines.
    I had nothing at 18, now I am well off. There aren't many countries where a nobody can do so well.
    I say the govt gave me those things, but I did a lot in return to earn it.
    What is YOUR story?
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