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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I went to a rural public school and did quite alright for myself education-wise.

    That being said, my kids will be going to Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, or private school.
    I failed miserably in the public school system but that had nothing to do with the school and everything to do with my effort at the time. The same school that passed the likes of me then also graduated hundreds of highly qualified students. Later because of a requirement to work full and part time jobs I went to several non traditionally universities to achieve undergraduate and graduate degrees. Many of the more exclusive brick and mortar universities will look down their nose at a non-trad degree, but the reality is that in MOST instances where you got your degree isnt nearly as important as THAT you have your degree and are qualified to sit for the appropriate tests, boards, and/or panels. I have several individuals that work for me that have masters degrees from the state university. My doctorate from a nontraditional university still trumps them. I have done contract work with several hospitals and city government agencies...again...all that matters is if you can fill the squares and demonstrate an ability to do the job.

    Point being...kids excell at public schools as well as private schools. Kids fail at private schools as well or are often graduated regardless of academic ability. What really matters is the internal motivation of the individual augmented by parent/authority figure involvement and support.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Interesting libertarian thought-wanting more government regulation

    interesting indeed
    Not more. . . less. Its WHO is doing it. Would you give the fox the keys to the hen house.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    Not more. . . less. Its WHO is doing it. Would you give the fox the keys to the hen house.
    I see corporations as a lot less dangerous than governments



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I see corporations as a lot less dangerous than governments
    I dont. The government is there only to serve the people. A business only exists to make money. Our government may fail at times, maybe often but I do beleive its an evil we have to live with. It just needs to be small and not get involved with morals.

    No other comments on my ideas?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    I dont. The government is there only to serve the people. A business only exists to make money. Our government may fail at times, maybe often but I do beleive its an evil we have to live with. It just needs to be small and not get involved with morals.

    No other comments on my ideas?
    Right. The government is intended to govern and when people get elected they truly want to start governing, that is telling us mortals what to do, when to do it, and establishing all sorts of unnecessary new laws, programs, and so on.

    Once people get power they become convinced that they are wiser and smarter than everyone else and will go wherever their whims take them. BHO is an excellent example. No matter what the people say, and no matter what history should teach him, he knows best. Luckily the president has term limits. That should be the case with all politicians everywhere.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Census finds record gap between rich and poor



    Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

    Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
    So when will you propose spending cuts?
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    I dont. The government is there only to serve the people. A business only exists to make money. Our government may fail at times, maybe often but I do beleive its an evil we have to live with. It just needs to be small and not get involved with morals.

    No other comments on my ideas?
    I have a couple, Ender1.

    It is a myth that government is there to serve the people. That might have been the idea and intent at one time but that is no longer true.

    You exist in order to support and pay for the governments and its bureaucrats, and the government exists in order to assure this system continues. As a result of their voracious appetites, they have turned the people on each other in order to make them even more powerful. Now they will go after "the rich", as just one example, and when the rich are broke, or flee the United States, they'll come after you. But they'll not go hungry because they can print more money. You can't. They will always become bigger and more powerful and as a result you will become weaker and weaker. Your individuality and Independence will be lost forever.

    Everyone works for the government now on varying levels and if you don't pay them their take you'll go to jail rather than showing up dead in a vacant lot. But the lesson is, you are serving them, they are not serving you. In fact the idea that they serve the people, though campaign promises always suggest that, has become ludicrous.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this oozes Bull poop. The rich (however you describe them) pay far far more than they use and contrary to the steaming pile of dung that is thrown around here, most of the rich got that way not by stealing stuff, not by ripping off people, but by doing the right things and making themselves valuable and thus having stock in trade
    I am one who did things right, and some are jealous of that, like your buddy apdst. I did it without whining about taxes all day long. Taxes are the dues you pay for living here. If you don't like the dues here, check out the dues in other countries and you might get a more informed idea of how great the USA is.
    I have been reading the WSJ and financial magazines since about 1980. That is where you find out how the super rich manipulate the market, and the middle class. Some of the magazines applaud the super rich when they take over companies, rape the retirement funds, then part out the business, selling off jobs, in effect. They were putting people on the streets without golden parachutes before you drew your first pay check.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right. The government is intended to govern and when people get elected they truly want to start governing, that is telling us mortals what to do, when to do it, and establishing all sorts of unnecessary new laws, programs, and so on.

    Once people get power they become convinced that they are wiser and smarter than everyone else and will go wherever their whims take them. BHO is an excellent example. No matter what the people say, and no matter what history should teach him, he knows best. Luckily the president has term limits. That should be the case with all politicians everywhere.
    I agree that the government has acted badly. It needs to be corrected and the only way to do that is to vote out the republicans and democrats.

    I also agree in term limits.

    I disagree with your President Obama comment. I do 100% beleive he has good intentions. But we all know where those lead.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I have a couple, Ender1.

    It is a myth that government is there to serve the people. That might have been the idea and intent at one time but that is no longer true.

    You exist in order to support and pay for the governments and its bureaucrats, and the government exists in order to assure this system continues. As a result of their voracious appetites, they have turned the people on each other in order to make them even more powerful. Now they will go after "the rich", as just one example, and when the rich are broke, or flee the United States, they'll come after you. But they'll not go hungry because they can print more money. You can't. They will always become bigger and more powerful and as a result you will become weaker and weaker. Your individuality and Independence will be lost forever.

    Everyone works for the government now on varying levels and if you don't pay them their take you'll go to jail rather than showing up dead in a vacant lot. But the lesson is, you are serving them, they are not serving you. In fact the idea that they serve the people, though campaign promises always suggest that, has become ludicrous.
    I have read the constitution several times. Serving the people is the purpose of government. I also believe that the government has become the right arm of big business. That is what has turned people against each other. If you are wealthy and leave the country just because you want to keep it your a coward.

    If I start thinking about our freedoms I want to cry. President Bush single handed took away 2 or three of my freedoms. President Obama only voted to take away one.

    I agree with the government not serving me. So why do so many people vote democrat and republican. We do have the power and a peaceful system in place to support it.

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