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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Corporations hire people based upon demand and expected demand, not because of taxes. Sure tax incentives can provide short-term results, but sustainable results are achieved only when the product or service has real value to the consumer.
    Cash flow is the life blood of an economy. Without it, the economy won't flourish. If there is less cash in the private sector, then there will be less cash flow. Taxes will cause less tax flow within the private sector.

    Again, it goes back to the incertainty that has been created by the government. They are him-hawing on the Bush tax cuts, no one has any idea what Obamacare is going to do, hence they're not spending any money. If, because of Obamacare and higher taxes, corporations have to close the door, then you can bet your boots that taxes and government legislation killed those jobs.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and that is the crux of the matter. if a business doesn't have customers, it doesn't need employees. Lots of businesses, and individuals, have money to spend, but they are apprehensive about the future. We don't really know if the recession is over, despite what the govt says about that.
    Businesses don't close their doors because taxes go up a little, and a little is all that is expected by letting the Bush tax cuts expire.
    I still find it hard to believe that so many people making $250K or less are worried about the rich having to pay a bit more in taxes.
    I guess they believe that low taxes stimulates the creation of jobs. CONSUMERS create jobs far more than lower taxes ever will, and a few more or less rich people won't make much difference in how many consumers we have. It is the middle class that needs to grow in numbers, not the rich, and hopefully not the "poor".
    That's fine for businesses that operate on volume, like Wal Mart. The small businesses suffer in that case.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i can catagorically say he is NOT boosting the nation's deficit by allowing the tax rate to increase on those best able to afford to pay that tax increase

    and i can catagorically say he would boost the nation's deficit dollar for dollar if he subscribed to the "fiscally conservative" republican position to borrow more money from china to afford to give billionaires a tax break

    simple arithmetic. do the math
    I say let's do away with the earned income credit. Whatcha think? Let's let everyone get some skin in the game and collect taxes from those folks who don't even pay taxes.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Woody Allen couldnt have been Michael Jordan, but Spudd Webb could be Spudd Webb. And maybe Woody isnt good enough to play pro ball so he works his ass off to become Jeff Van Gundy...successful still working in the basketball realm. You may not be able to BE Bill Gates but nothing would stop you from creating a successful computer store or becoming a promrammer, or designer. You cant be the queen OF England but you can be a queen IN England. Or...you can make excuses why you cant succeed. And then blame the rich people for stealing your money hopes and dreams.

    Nope...not buying it. You fail because you didnt work to succeed...Because mommy and daddy pampered you and didnt expect you to succeed. Because you made a bunch of stupid decisions that got in the way of your success. A million excuses...but they arent on the rich...they are on the individual.
    If woody Allen couldn't become Micheal Jordan, and he never could have, then there are limitations. No one says he couldn't be better than he likely is, but that there are limitations. If there are limitations, and we all are not capable of everything, some people being natually marter, or larger, or stronger, or faster, equal under the law but not with the same or even equal abilities, opportunities, or even possibilities, isn't it kind of silly to expect everyone to achieve the same success?

    Not saying we all can't work hard and do better. But let's not pretend there is a utopia where we all can be successful.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure. Higher taxes. Fewer jobs. Those conditions are murdering the middle class.
    All I ask is that you give OBJECTIVE evidence that your claim is true. Not opinion. Nothing SUBJECTIVE.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I say let's do away with the earned income credit. Whatcha think? Let's let everyone get some skin in the game and collect taxes from those folks who don't even pay taxes.
    now there is a "fiscally conservative" idea republicans should be proud of [/s]

    let's have people who are motivated to work and are earning an income - albeit a low income - and remove the supplement they receive to allow them to have a modest standard of living

    in your view, it's so much better to withdraw that supplement because they are working. why would we want to incentivize work, and the exhibition of life skills that are present to go to a job, when we could instead motivate them to quit their jobs so that they could again enjoy a government subsidy. only now, it would be a larger one, and they could eliminate the need to work to qualify for it

    very clever how you thought through the ramifications of your proposal [/s]
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's fine for businesses that operate on volume, like Wal Mart. The small businesses suffer in that case.
    "Small" businesses can be quite large and still be considered small by the govt.
    My point is, the rich won't suffer if they pay another 3 to 5 percent, and it can't possibly affect job creation negatively in our current economic situation. The rich don't consume, or spend, as much as a lot of people think. They are just as busy as the rest of us, going to work, earning money, raising families. They don't play all day. Certainly the ones I know don't.
    The only ones who have time to play might be the unemployed but they don't have the money to play.
    If and when confidence returns, jobs will pick up. In the mean time, those of us who have money and a secure income should be spending it. Beats me why so many well off retirees are holding on to their investments that are drawing about 1%.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    now there is a "fiscally conservative" idea republicans should be proud of [/s]

    let's have people who are motivated to work and are earning an income - albeit a low income - and remove the supplement they receive to allow them to have a modest standard of living

    in your view, it's so much better to withdraw that supplement because they are working. why would we want to incentivize work, and the exhibition of life skills that are present to go to a job, when we could instead motivate them to quit their jobs so that they could again enjoy a government subsidy. only now, it would be a larger one, and they could eliminate the need to work to qualify for it

    very clever how you thought through the ramifications of your proposal [/s]
    That same logic applies to businesses, as well. Raising taxes on businesses and cutting even more into an alrady shrinking bottom line, will only motivate them to close the doors and layoff their employees, or cut salaries and jobs, in an attempt to keep the doors open. Thank you for illustrating my point.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That same logic applies to businesses, as well. Raising taxes on businesses and cutting even more into an alrady shrinking bottom line, will only motivate them to close the doors and layoff their employees, or cut salaries and jobs, in an attempt to keep the doors open. Thank you for illustrating my point.
    Are taxes on business being raised?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    "Small" businesses can be quite large and still be considered small by the govt.
    My point is, the rich won't suffer if they pay another 3 to 5 percent, and it can't possibly affect job creation negatively in our current economic situation. The rich don't consume, or spend, as much as a lot of people think. They are just as busy as the rest of us, going to work, earning money, raising families. They don't play all day. Certainly the ones I know don't.
    The only ones who have time to play might be the unemployed but they don't have the money to play.
    If and when confidence returns, jobs will pick up. In the mean time, those of us who have money and a secure income should be spending it. Beats me why so many well off retirees are holding on to their investments that are drawing about 1%.
    One thing about the job of a retiree, he can't be fired....
    By that logic, middle class folks won't suffer by paying another 3-5 percent, either. They'll just have to live within their means. Won't they?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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