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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    You are starting to sound like my sister....she was 2 years older than me and didn't hesitate to smack me around, then when I hit her back, I got into trouble for "hitting a girl". Is your name Berta?
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    You are starting to sound like my sister....she was 2 years older than me and didn't hesitate to smack me around, then when I hit her back, I got into trouble for "hitting a girl". Is your name Berta?
    No, its GUIDO.



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Do you really believe the bull you're spouting? Do you honestly believe everyone is predisposed to the same opportunities, that the circumstances of life is relatively identical to everyone? Because if that's the case we're all either going to be very rich, very poor or live moderate "middle-class" lives.

    The truth is there are people who either luck into situations that provide them a satisfying life (i.e., they inherit income from family, are born into money, win the lotto, or get discovered in sports and entertainment), develop a bright idea into riches, or work harder than others either through laboring or get a high quality education and use same to further their professional career. Very few people have the wherewithall to know exactly what they want to do in life while they're young and are continuously encouraged to pursue their ambitions.

    Furthermore, not everyone has the opportunity to attain wealth. Most people will just have average lives. Most people are afforded an education via the public education system, but that's about as far as many people can afford to go. Even with loans and grants, most high school graduates can't afford to attend college. Most young adults start off in the labor force working a minimum wage job (unless, of course, they luck out and know someone who sees something in them to take a chance and give them an opportunity to better themselves), and if they're lucky or work hard enough they can progress up that economic ladder.

    And then there are those who just can't catch a break with a net! Circumstances befall them and they can never get out of that revolving door of dispair and poverty. Sometimes, they bring things upon themselves; other times things happen beyond their control (i.e., a devastating accident or lost of the primary bread-winner).

    To think that everyone will be exposed to the same or similar opportunities to attain wealth is just foolish. Most people want to do for themselves as opposed to just having things handed to them. Moreover, I seriously doubt people want to be poor. Unfortunately, they either don't know what to do to change the circumstances of their lives in a meaningful way or the opportunities just never come their way.
    I and 5 siblings were born into a poor, dysfunctional family. 2 of us came out of it well off after many decades of working at it, 2 more are doing OK, the other 2 are poor. The last 2 had trouble learning to read, couldn't handle fractions, failed 3rd grade, ended up quitting school. Those 2 had handicaps, but the biggest one was our parents. They gave us no motivation, just fed us and clothed us and told us to plan on being gone by age 18.
    BUT, I have known people from worse situations....and they did OK. And I have known smart people who were just too lazy to try.
    I do think we make it too easy to fail, and too easy to live well with little or no effort.
    Several European countries right now are going thru austerity programs to help undo years of "life too easy". They are complaining bitterly and protesting in large numbers.
    None of us should be thinking it can't happen here....
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Do you really believe the bull you're spouting? Do you honestly believe everyone is predisposed to the same opportunities, that the circumstances of life is relatively identical to everyone? Because if that's the case we're all either going to be very rich, very poor or live moderate "middle-class" lives.

    The truth is there are people who either luck into situations that provide them a satisfying life (i.e., they inherit income from family, are born into money, win the lotto, or get discovered in sports and entertainment), develop a bright idea into riches, or work harder than others either through laboring or get a high quality education and use same to further their professional career. Very few people have the wherewithall to know exactly what they want to do in life while they're young and are continuously encouraged to pursue their ambitions.

    Furthermore, not everyone has the opportunity to attain wealth. Most people will just have average lives. Most people are afforded an education via the public education system, but that's about as far as many people can afford to go. Even with loans and grants, most high school graduates can't afford to attend college. Most young adults start off in the labor force working a minimum wage job (unless, of course, they luck out and know someone who sees something in them to take a chance and give them an opportunity to better themselves), and if they're lucky or work hard enough they can progress up that economic ladder.

    And then there are those who just can't catch a break with a net! Circumstances befall them and they can never get out of that revolving door of dispair and poverty. Sometimes, they bring things upon themselves; other times things happen beyond their control (i.e., a devastating accident or lost of the primary bread-winner).

    To think that everyone will be exposed to the same or similar opportunities to attain wealth is just foolish. Most people want to do for themselves as opposed to just having things handed to them. Moreover, I seriously doubt people want to be poor. Unfortunately, they either don't know what to do to change the circumstances of their lives in a meaningful way or the opportunities just never come their way.
    Those with the ability have the oppurtunity. Unless, of course, the government over-regulates that oppurtunity out of existance.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those with the ability have the oppurtunity. Unless, of course, the government over-regulates that oppurtunity out of existance.
    A little off track, maybe?
    What happens a lot, tho, is the job skill you train for goes away. The smart move is to keep your eyes open, and be training for your "next" job in case the present one becomes obsolete.
    Myself, I have been in several different technical jobs over the years. The last one, tho, went obsolete too quickly for me. So I retired early.
    If you want to enjoy middle class, you need to keep abreast of what is going on in your industry.
    Sadly, you can't trust technical schools to help you. They will gladly take your money and train you in careers that are already becoming obsolete, or careers that will need less workers than before.
    I was cut loose by my family right after high school, so I had an advantage. I KNEW that the only person looking out for me, was me....
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    However, it is a good time to allow tax breaks to corporations to remain in place, so all those poor people can go back to work.
    Corporations hire people based upon demand and expected demand, not because of taxes. Sure tax incentives can provide short-term results, but sustainable results are achieved only when the product or service has real value to the consumer.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Corporations hire people based upon demand and expected demand, not because of taxes. Sure tax incentives can provide short-term results, but sustainable results are achieved only when the product or service has real value to the consumer.
    and that is the crux of the matter. if a business doesn't have customers, it doesn't need employees. Lots of businesses, and individuals, have money to spend, but they are apprehensive about the future. We don't really know if the recession is over, despite what the govt says about that.
    Businesses don't close their doors because taxes go up a little, and a little is all that is expected by letting the Bush tax cuts expire.
    I still find it hard to believe that so many people making $250K or less are worried about the rich having to pay a bit more in taxes.
    I guess they believe that low taxes stimulates the creation of jobs. CONSUMERS create jobs far more than lower taxes ever will, and a few more or less rich people won't make much difference in how many consumers we have. It is the middle class that needs to grow in numbers, not the rich, and hopefully not the "poor".
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and that is the crux of the matter. if a business doesn't have customers, it doesn't need employees. Lots of businesses, and individuals, have money to spend, but they are apprehensive about the future. We don't really know if the recession is over, despite what the govt says about that.
    Businesses don't close their doors because taxes go up a little, and a little is all that is expected by letting the Bush tax cuts expire.
    I still find it hard to believe that so many people making $250K or less are worried about the rich having to pay a bit more in taxes.
    I guess they believe that low taxes stimulates the creation of jobs. CONSUMERS create jobs far more than lower taxes ever will, and a few more or less rich people won't make much difference in how many consumers we have. It is the middle class that needs to grow in numbers, not the rich, and hopefully not the "poor".
    That sort of puts the lie to the "the rich want the middle class to be poor" mindset. The rich surely want to prosper but they also understand that they need consumers. No one benefits from having 'the poor' except politicians and other 'community leader' types that benefit from class and race warfare.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You assume somehow he ISNT boosting the annual deficit? You assume he would be somehow fiscally responsible if he could just take MORE of other peoples income?
    i can catagorically say he is NOT boosting the nation's deficit by allowing the tax rate to increase on those best able to afford to pay that tax increase

    and i can catagorically say he would boost the nation's deficit dollar for dollar if he subscribed to the "fiscally conservative" republican position to borrow more money from china to afford to give billionaires a tax break

    simple arithmetic. do the math
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