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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    We’ll see…..after his two terms are over who had the best Presidency.
    he's already irrelevant, he can't offer leadership even on an issue as central as whether or not to extend the cuts, to whom, to whom not, for how long, when he will act...

    three days after the day after tomorrow, he's gonna be invisible

    he's an albatross, albatross obama

    everyone's running away from him, taylor in mississippi, donnelly in indiana, marshall in georgia, pomeroy in north dakota, manchin in west virginia, bright in alabama, defazio in oregon, shuler in north carolina, denish in new mexico, nye in virginia, boyd in florida...

    Some Democratic candidates distance themselves from Obama

    Some Democrats keep distance from Obama - Los Angeles Times

    dnc tim kaine says they're "nuts"

    DNC chief doubles down, says Democrats 'nuts' to run from party - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

    colbert quipped he hadn't seen so many people running from a party since he called the cops on a bunch of rowdy high schoolers next door

    gibbs is more understanding

    pelosi, whom mr bright said he wouldn't mind seeing dead, approves members trying to save themselves

    and then there's JOHN STEWART

    and HIS AUDIENCE

    they were laughing AT the lame duck not with him

    the white house itself indicated that campaigning for candidates at this point would not really be what normal people would consider help

    W.H.: Don't bet on Obama effect - Glenn Thrush and Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com

    cbs/nyt yesterday reported that 14% of voters asked said that campaigning with obama would help a given candidate, 29% said standing aside the loser would hurt

    Poll: Independents Drive GOP Midterm Advantage - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    cuz if you've lost JON STEWART...

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    cause and effect were not proven
    Wasn't claiming any causality. Conservative said that there was not any period in the last 30 years when the tax when up and debt when down. These articles seem to differ.

    As for causality, lets go look at the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

    Gross National Debt as a Percent of GDP, by President

    It is pretty obvious from that chart that, since Ike left office, the Republicans screw up the balance sheet. Reagan and Bush I really hosed things and it took Clinton to fix it. Then, another Bush and, guess what, more fiscal irresponsibility.

    Facts say that Republicans haven't shown any propensity toward fiscal responsibility. They argue for cutting taxes in a way that helps the rich at the expense of the middle class which bogus claims that it helps employment. Nonsense.

    Republicans campaign is blatant hypocrisy. They campaign on fiscal responsibility and and the record is clear that they are not fiscally responsible. They campaign on family values and they have just as many gays as the population as a whole (I think that is OK but for the hypocrisy). They campaign on keeping government out of you life except they want to regulate what a woman does with her womb (when did motherhood become mandatory).

    Republicans consistently do things that are anti-middle class and the stupid middle class keeps voting for them. We are so dain brammaged that its not funny any more.

    Sorry, what was the question?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    Wasn't claiming any causality. Conservative said that there was not any period in the last 30 years when the tax when up and debt when down. These articles seem to differ.

    As for causality, lets go look at the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

    Gross National Debt as a Percent of GDP, by President

    It is pretty obvious from that chart that, since Ike left office, the Republicans screw up the balance sheet. Reagan and Bush I really hosed things and it took Clinton to fix it. Then, another Bush and, guess what, more fiscal irresponsibility.

    Facts say that Republicans haven't shown any propensity toward fiscal responsibility. They argue for cutting taxes in a way that helps the rich at the expense of the middle class which bogus claims that it helps employment. Nonsense.

    Republicans campaign is blatant hypocrisy. They campaign on fiscal responsibility and and the record is clear that they are not fiscally responsible. They campaign on family values and they have just as many gays as the population as a whole (I think that is OK but for the hypocrisy). They campaign on keeping government out of you life except they want to regulate what a woman does with her womb (when did motherhood become mandatory).

    Republicans consistently do things that are anti-middle class and the stupid middle class keeps voting for them. We are so dain brammaged that its not funny any more.

    Sorry, what was the question?
    Did you read the article I posted regarding the Clinton tax increases? Obviously not since in 1997 the taxes were cut by the Republican Controlled Congress and Clinton signed them. You definitely have been brainwashed and need to broaden your research capabilities. I don't think I would be discussing fiscal responsibility with Barack Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress adding 3 trillion to the debt in 2 years. That is 60% of the entire Bush debt for 8 years in two. Amazing how some people continue to drink the liberal Kool-Aid.

    By the way, Zip, a little multiple choice quiz for you.

    Did Bill Clinton signed

    A. His budgets with less spending
    B. Republican Congress budgets with less spending
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You aren't seriously expecting me to accept the analysis of The Heritage Foundation as in any way impartial, are you? I'm not even going to click on the link. Find something even mildly less partisan and I'll read it.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    You aren't seriously expecting me to accept the analysis of The Heritage Foundation as in any way impartial, are you? I'm not even going to click on the link. Find something even mildly less partisan and I'll read it.
    I don't blame you, too many facts in there including a time line. Not surprising as you don't want anything that refutes what you have been told. Facts are facts regardless of who reports them.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you read the article I posted regarding the Clinton tax increases? Obviously not since in 1997 the taxes were cut by the Republican Controlled Congress and Clinton signed them. You definitely have been brainwashed and need to broaden your research capabilities. I don't think I would be discussing fiscal responsibility with Barack Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress adding 3 trillion to the debt in 2 years. That is 60% of the entire Bush debt for 8 years in two. Amazing how some people continue to drink the liberal Kool-Aid.

    By the way, Zip, a little multiple choice quiz for you.

    Did Bill Clinton signed

    A. His budgets with less spending
    B. Republican Congress budgets with less spending
    As previously posted, not interested in any "analysis" from The Heritage Foundation.

    I think that you need to learn something about relative numbers. You keep using absolute numbers to try to make a point and they don't really illustrate anything but the lack of a divide button on you calculator.

    As for your quiz, the answer is C, none of the above. The budget was larger in each year of the Clinton administration both in real and constant dollars.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    As previously posted, not interested in any "analysis" from The Heritage Foundation.

    I think that you need to learn something about relative numbers. You keep using absolute numbers to try to make a point and they don't really illustrate anything but the lack of a divide button on you calculator.

    As for your quiz, the answer is C, none of the above. The budget was larger in each year of the Clinton administration both in real and constant dollars.
    Yes, the number was larger each year but that is only part of the story. It was the GOP Congress that cut the Clinton budgets and he signed them with less than he asked for. How does that compare against the Bush budgets with the Democrat Controlled Congress? Think the Democrat controlled Congress cut or increased the Bush budgets? Bet you don't answer that one.

    As for the Heritage Foundation, it really doesn't matter who reports the facts because the facts don't change. You just need to admit that you have been duped by an ideology and we can move one.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, the number was larger each year but that is only part of the story. It was the GOP Congress that cut the Clinton budgets and he signed them with less than he asked for. How does that compare against the Bush budgets with the Democrat Controlled Congress? Think the Democrat controlled Congress cut or increased the Bush budgets? Bet you don't answer that one.

    As for the Heritage Foundation, it really doesn't matter who reports the facts because the facts don't change. You just need to admit that you have been duped by an ideology and we can move one.
    Let's see, Bush and the Republican Congress oversee a meltdown in the economy and then, when the Democrats get in, they, at Bush's insistence, increase spending in order to try to keep the economy from going further in the toilet. Wow, good point. You have clearly shown that... what have you shown?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    Let's see, Bush and the Republican Congress oversee a meltdown in the economy and then, when the Democrats get in, they, at Bush's insistence, increase spending in order to try to keep the economy from going further in the toilet. Wow, good point. You have clearly shown that... what have you shown?
    Interesting how the Bureau of Economic Analysis doesn't show that meltdown when the Republicans were in charge of Congress. Looks to me like 52 straight months of job creation and economic growth including the last year of the GOP/Bush Budget, 2007 (2003-2007). Democrats take control of the Congress in January 2007 and the country goes into recession December 2007 yet according to you it was the Republican Congress that how did you say it, "oversee a meltdown in the economy?" Let me know what it is you are smoking or drinking?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    he's already irrelevant, he can't offer leadership even on an issue as central as whether or not to extend the cuts, to whom, to whom not, for how long, when he will act...

    three days after the day after tomorrow, he's gonna be invisible

    he's an albatross, albatross obama

    everyone's running away from him, taylor in mississippi, donnelly in indiana, marshall in georgia, pomeroy in north dakota, manchin in west virginia, bright in alabama, defazio in oregon, shuler in north carolina, denish in new mexico, nye in virginia, boyd in florida...

    Some Democratic candidates distance themselves from Obama

    Some Democrats keep distance from Obama - Los Angeles Times

    dnc tim kaine says they're "nuts"

    DNC chief doubles down, says Democrats 'nuts' to run from party - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

    colbert quipped he hadn't seen so many people running from a party since he called the cops on a bunch of rowdy high schoolers next door

    gibbs is more understanding

    pelosi, whom mr bright said he wouldn't mind seeing dead, approves members trying to save themselves

    and then there's JOHN STEWART

    and HIS AUDIENCE

    they were laughing AT the lame duck not with him

    the white house itself indicated that campaigning for candidates at this point would not really be what normal people would consider help

    W.H.: Don't bet on Obama effect - Glenn Thrush and Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com

    cbs/nyt yesterday reported that 14% of voters asked said that campaigning with obama would help a given candidate, 29% said standing aside the loser would hurt

    Poll: Independents Drive GOP Midterm Advantage - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    cuz if you've lost JON STEWART...
    Why the five lamea** links to something to that no one besides yourself clicks on? Do you think that posting multiple links somehow gives your post some creditability? What would give you SOME creditability would have posted something that was REMOTELY close to the link you were quoting. Which was
    (We’ll see…..after his two terms are over who had the best Presidency.)
    That said, I,ll attempt to get this sucker back on track; maybe then, you can follow the point I was trying to make.

    This looks like a possible 94 midterm rerun. Clinton was weakened by a few blunders and of course the repugs, doing what they best, stall and obstruct, had the desired effect.Poll numbers in the tank, even lower than Obamas now. Clinton campaigned his a** off for everyone but still the Dems ended up in the barrel.The repugs were walking tall; they controlled the house, which was something they hadn’t done for fifty years and they had the Senate, for the first time in eight.

    Now fast forward past Monica,impeachment, past Whitewater and the lamea** attempts at defaming him AND his wife, calling them everything from murders, to a drugdealers. It didn’t matter what the repug noise machine threw at him, the country wasn’t buying any of the bulls****.

    Enter 1996 and his run against Senator Sourdough resulted in 49 percent of the popular vote. Thank you Ross. Speaking of Ross Perot, conservative, get the ole crystal ball out and look at the 2012 Presidential election and see if you don’t see a possible deju vu, with the tea party and all.

    Now prof, see if you can manage this without a half dozen links…Ooo, yes, see if you can manage to make one of your sentences come close to the post your quoting.




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    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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