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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Love it when libs try to redefine a word.

    b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

    Thats the defition. Time to deal with the reality of it.
    You never did look up "term of art" in your little dictionary, did you?

    Nah, that would require you to admit an error. Can't have that!

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is OK. The pursuit of happiness means Jenny can become John as long as Jenny doesn't interfer with Bob or Mary to do so. And if Jenny has to live with this condition, and the best we can do is help Jenny become more comfortable, who are we to deny Jenny this? Seriously, it is enough for us to take care of ourselfs and try to make the world a little better without worrying about Jenny becoming John.
    Oh, for Christ's sake. Now it's the pursuit of happiness. It's not about that! It's about teaching kids that rules matter. Anyone wonder why a kid gets out of high school and can't hold down a job because he can't accept authority? Electing a girl for homecoming king does absolutely nothing to make the world a better place. I think your premise is beyond ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I personally accept people who are like this but I do have some reservations about it. There is nothing conclusive about this not being a mental disorder that may be treatable with medication. (something to correct the mental gender imbalance towards the physical gender.)

    Instead we insist catastrophic change to the body.
    To me, that seems a bit extreme and I think we should approach this with great caution.
    Even if it is a mental disorder, not reason to disrespect them, yes? (I know you aren't saying that.) I personally believe it IS a mental disorder. Kinda' God's little joke. "I know!!! I'll give him female body parts and a male mindset. Yeah, that'll do it." I sort of equate this disorder with the people who demand that surgeons remove a leg or arm. They just KNOW they'll be happier. Same tune. Different words. But who knows? Who'll EVER know? If someone's happier being made into the opposite sex, and it's legal, so be it. I don't care. I do care when schools make common sense rules and students insist on flying in their face. Allowing them to do that isn't serving them well at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Personally, I don't care if we did or not, because I really don't care that much about sports. I don't think it would ever happen just because of the physical advantage, which is an understandable exception. But even with gender reassignment, I don't think the rules allow for this scenario. However, in the case of a contest for homecoming king, there is no actual physical activity requirement. The only competition aspect is of popularity. The rest of the school obviously believed that he qualified, so this should be enough.
    Rules? What rules? Why should we have rules? Gads. How can you talk about rules on the one hand and then trash school common sense rules on the other? As to your last statement, she is NOT qualified. Rules said: Boy for King; Girl for Queen.

    PS--You're wrong about the rules scenerio, anyway. Rene' Richards - surgically and hormonally altered to a woman - played professional tennis in the women's field. Operative words: surgically and hormonally altered. Not, OH!!! I think I'm a girl today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know bringing that up is a bit off topic but so many people have thought the same thing as you have, that adding a specific coverage won't raise the prices much.
    When you do that for 100 procedures, it really starts to add up.

    We cover pregnancy under insurance, that's insane.
    It is a voluntary "illness."
    The difference is in how many people will actually need or even want reassignment therapy. Many transgendered people are completely okay in just living the life of the opposite sex without going through the surgery, like my brother. He even considered the surgery for a while, but decided against it. He still might get hormonal treatment and will be getting laser hair removal but he will pay for those on his own. And there are some who would decide to pay for it on their own.

    The amount of people who would actually go all the way and get reassignment surgery is not going to significantly go up if it is required to be covered under insurance, because a) there just aren't that many of them to begin with and b) they would still have to qualify for the treatment through evaluations just like any other surgery. They would still need a doctor to sign off on them needing the surgery to treat them.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    You never did look up "term of art" in your little dictionary, did you?

    Nah, that would require you to admit an error. Can't have that!
    How does that change the defintion of the word? Go ahead, explain yourself.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The difference is in how many people will actually need or even want reassignment therapy. Many transgendered people are completely okay in just living the life of the opposite sex without going through the surgery, like my brother. He even considered the surgery for a while, but decided against it. He still might get hormonal treatment and will be getting laser hair removal but he will pay for those on his own. And there are some who would decide to pay for it on their own.

    The amount of people who would actually go all the way and get reassignment surgery is not going to significantly go up if it is required to be covered under insurance, because a) there just aren't that many of them to begin with and b) they would still have to qualify for the treatment through evaluations just like any other surgery. They would still need a doctor to sign off on them needing the surgery to treat them.
    Sex change surgery is elective and not covered under most, if not all, health insurance policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The defintion says ONE sex, not ONE'S sex. That is the difference Boo Radley is referring to.
    Incorrect. Your apostrophe does not change the noun in any way shape or form. Gender is defined as sex. There is no middle ground.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The school set the rules. Period. "Elect a boy for king. A girl for queen." No ducks involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    except the actual policy of the school and the official records said she didn't qualify. people should just accept that.

    Here's the problem, the way I see it. The school failed to set definitive rules. If they had refused to let the student participate as a male in any other activities, I would probably stand by their decision to exclude the individual from running for Homecoming King.

    However, they allowed the student to be male in every other aspect of school life. This set's a pretty poor precedent for the current decision, now doesn't it?

    Other than a year book photo, what lasting difference will the elected King and queen have?
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Rules? What rules? Why should we have rules? Gads. How can you talk about rules on the one hand and then trash school common sense rules on the other? As to your last statement, she is NOT qualified. Rules said: Boy for King; Girl for Queen.

    PS--You're wrong about the rules scenerio, anyway. Rene' Richards - surgically and hormonally altered to a woman - played professional tennis in the women's field. Operative words: surgically and hormonally altered. Not, OH!!! I think I'm a girl today.
    The policy of the school was also that girls wear a girl's uniform/graduation gown and boys wear a boy's uniform/graduation gown, and yet the school changed the policy for this person. So that shows that the school obviously accepted this person as a boy. The rules do not say that the person had to be born a boy, have a penis, or be registered as a boy in the school. The school accepted the student as a boy for band uniforms and graduation gowns, but not in a popularity contest, that he won. Doesn't make sense.

    Different sports and sports divisions have different rules, which is why I said "I don't think". I know that it is against the rules in the Olympics. And in sporting events, there is a reason for such rules, in the name of fair play and not giving someone an unfair physical advantage, since we do separate sports by sex. Men are physically different than women, even if they have had surgery and hormone therapy.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sex change surgery is elective and not covered under most, if not all, health insurance policies.
    There are some insurance policies that will cover it. And it was just recently suggested that it be required to be covered when medically necessary.

    Sex reassignment surgery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Sex Change You Can Believe In | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.
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