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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Just read up about it, I advise textmaster to do the same since obviously he or she has yet to do so.

    They have to first be Diagnosed, Psychotherapy,Hormone treatment, then the surgery. Must be 18 to qualify for surgery, Must have lived as the opposite sex for at least two years and the Psychologist must make the judgment that this person absolutely is of the opposite gender and hasn't even the slightest urge to go back.

    So TextMaster, do you think these people are actually going around fooling all the experts with tremendous acting skills or are you going to realize it's actually a legitimate medical condition that isn't take lightly?
    they are doing just that, 'cause it's SO MUCH FUN to go through what they go through.

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think the issue is legitimate to discuss, but as none of us know him/her personally, we have no idea what the mental state is.
    I love how when issues like these arise, everyone thinks that they are a psychological expert.

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and when this girl gets a Y chromosome I'll start believing she's a man.
    So if she still looked female, but through some futuristic genetic surgery, obtained a Y chromosone to replace the X, you'd call her male?
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and when this girl gets a Y chromosome I'll start believing she's a man.
    Dude, I'm gonna have to go with the DSM-IV here. They've been studying this thing for a while.

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Just read up about it, I advise textmaster to do the same since obviously he or she has yet to do so.

    They have to first be Diagnosed, Psychotherapy,Hormone treatment, then the surgery. Must be 18 to qualify for surgery, Must have lived as the opposite sex for at least two years and the Psychologist must make the judgment that this person absolutely is of the opposite gender and hasn't even the slightest urge to go back.

    So TextMaster, do you think these people are actually going around fooling all the experts with tremendous acting skills or are you going to realize it's actually a legitimate medical condition that isn't take lightly?
    so what if it is a legitimate medical condition. it still doesn't make her a man.

    man

    1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.

    9. a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine: Be a man. The army will make a man of you.

    male   

    1. a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man.


    Sorry, nothing about man trapped in woman's body.

    by definition: If you do not have X and Y chromosome you are not male. If you are not male you cannot be a man.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so what if it is a legitimate medical condition. it still doesn't make her a man.

    man

    1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.

    9. a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine: Be a man. The army will make a man of you.

    male   

    1. a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man.


    Sorry, nothing about man trapped in woman's body.

    by definition: If you do not have X and Y chromosome you are not male. If you are not male you cannot be a man.
    But that's the thing, normally a person has all the right parts. We're talking about that 0.01% that doesn't, though.

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Dude, I'm gonna have to go with the DSM-IV here. They've been studying this thing for a while.
    I agree.


    Theories suggest that childhood issues may play a role in this disorder, such as the parent-child relationship at an early age and the identification a child is able to make with the parents of the same gender.
    nothing about being "born that way" or any physical basis


    Symptoms


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    A strong and persistent identification with the opposite gender. There is a sense of discomfort in their own gender and may feel they were ‘born the wrong sex.’
    they identify with a gender that is not their own (aka thsi girl is a girl she just identifies with male gender) and are not comfortable in THEIR OWN GENDER. (she is still a girl)


    nothing here that proves she is a he.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    But that's the thing, normally a person has all the right parts. We're talking about that 0.01% that doesn't, though.
    normally has the right parts but ALWAYS has the Y chromosome. this is not like a hermaphrodite where she/he has both parts and a choice must be made. she was born physically female.
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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so what if it is a legitimate medical condition. it still doesn't make her a man.

    man

    1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.

    9. a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine: Be a man. The army will make a man of you.

    male   

    1. a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man.


    Sorry, nothing about man trapped in woman's body.

    by definition: If you do not have X and Y chromosome you are not male. If you are not male you cannot be a man.
    Look up Gender: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex.

    Notice it is not neccessarily the sex itself.

    Today there are legal and medical standards, and regardless of how anyone "feels" about it, the fact remainds this is where we are. There is a recognized condition with recognized standards of treatment, which include gender reassignment, legally changing from one gender to another.

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    Re: Transgender senior can't be king

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    normally has the right parts but ALWAYS has the Y chromosome.
    I think the bigger issue here is that gender isn't all that cut and dried. It is in 99.9% of all cases, but here we have that one oddball that doesn't fit. Gender is determined a lot of different ways. Remember that sprinter from South Africa who was in the news a while back? If I recall correctly, the track and field governing body determined his/her gender by the amount of testosterone and/or estrogen in her bloodstream. Which sexual organs that person possessed was immaterial.

    In this case the "problem" is mental gender identity, and the solution for extreme cases seems to be sexual reassignment surgery. I happen to think that's pretty extreme, but I have to defer to the experts on this and assume that all parties involved have carried out the proper due diligence and attempted every other reasonable alternative.

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