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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    At least they trying to be up-front with it.. under Bush they just did it (and most likely still do)...
    Third post, and already we're apologizing. I'm not surprised.
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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I never saw conservatives protesting GWB. Call it even?
    We're only protesting because you lefties are hypocrites, and we want to know why. Why is it okay for Obama?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    When I see liberals protesting Him like they did GWB, I'll believe you.
    I consider myself a liberal and I'm protesting him. Anyone who wants to take away my privacy will get my protest. Doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican.
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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There will be an, "emergency", between now and January '13, that will give Obama the excuse he needs to seize power. Of course, it will be, "necessary", for the, "good of the country".

    I'm thinking it will come in the form of an economic collapse, but if the Dems can't induce that, something else will be staged.
    You have an issue where the Democrats have clearly in the wrong, and it would be very simple to make a reasonsed argument why this would hurt our nation. So why the hell do you go off deep end with some crackpot conspiracy nonsense? You are just making anyone reasonable who opposes this kind of expansion of power look bad.

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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Bush = Spy on our citizens without the counterbalance of a legitimate judicial warrant. Liberals Protest, Conservatives Say the Democrats want to let the Terrorists terrorize.

    Obama = Spy on suspected criminals with the counterbalance of a legitimate judicial warrant. Conservatives accuse Liberals of Hypocrisy, Democrats say the comparison is idiotic.

    Obama =/= Bush on surveillance. With a fair comparison, this is obvious to even a child.
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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Bush = Spy on "our citizens"

    Obama = Spy on "suspected criminals"
    This is hilarious.
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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is hilarious.
    The Bush administration wanted to spy on citizens without the benefit of a counterbalance. Without the counterbalance it is simply spying on citizens.

    The Obama administration wants to spy on suspected criminals (who happen to be citizens) with the benefit of a counterbalance. With the counterbalance it is spying on suspected criminals.

    What's hilarious?
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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The Bush administration wanted to spy on citizens without the benefit of a counterbalance. Without the counterbalance it is simply spying on citizens.

    The Obama administration wants to spy on suspected criminals (who happen to be citizens) with the benefit of a counterbalance. With the counterbalance it is spying on suspected criminals.

    What's hilarious?
    The people that the Bush administration targeted were suspected of having committed wrongdoing. The people that the Obama administration seeks to target are suspected of having committed wrongdoing. The fact that the government obtains a warrant does not transform a citizen into a mere "suspected criminal." Your choice of words makes your personal position pretty obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You have an issue where the Democrats have clearly in the wrong, and it would be very simple to make a reasonsed argument why this would hurt our nation. So why the hell do you go off deep end with some crackpot conspiracy nonsense? You are just making anyone reasonable who opposes this kind of expansion of power look bad.
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    Re: U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The people that the Bush administration targeted were suspected of having committed wrongdoing. The people that the Obama administration seeks to target are suspected of having committed wrongdoing. The fact that the government obtains a warrant does not transform a citizen into a mere "suspected criminal." Your choice of words makes your personal position pretty obvious.
    You ignore the key thing: There was no constraint proposed in the Bush administration policy to help ensure restraint on the use of domestic surveillance. To me that makes all the difference. If Bush had proposed similar things, I would have had ZERO objection. If Obama was making these proposals without the constraints, I would have TONS of objection. There is no hypocrisy in this position.
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