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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    as HEAD of his party he had UP TIL RECENTLY an awful lot of INFLUENCE

    stop arguing, discuss what's really happening
    Yes he has influence. But not outright control. That's why we have separation of powers and checks and balances.

    So if you want to get pissed at anyone, it shouldn't be Obama. Rather, get pissed at Pelosi and Rheid.

    I'm getting really ****ing tired of our executive getting **** for what our legislature does.

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    what tv are you watching

    HE's the one who demanded health care, crammed it, deemed it, dumped the po

    his own chief of staff leaked to dana milbank at the post at least 3 times that we'd all be better off had obama listened to him and been PRAGMATIC

    it's rahm who's most disgusted with the professional left who need drug testing, and they're not real happy with him

    the president is de facto leader of his party and this one rode his hard

    he is 100% responsible

    these continued efforts to duck accountability are just part of his many problems

    frankly, you surprise me

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I would say that before the internet this was true. Now, however, it's MUCH easier to keep track of politicians' voting records and opinions. I think that the generations after us will be less affected by those things.
    It may be easier but there is no reason for most people to do so.

    People are rationally ignorant, for a person to be motivated enough to research all that stuff, they have to have a direct impact on their lives.
    Of course, there are the masochists like us who do this as a hobby.

    If your individual vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, there is no reason for you to do a whole lot of research but instead go with the herd.
    It's instinctive.
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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what tv are you watching

    HE's the one who demanded health care, crammed it, deemed it, dumped the po

    his own chief of staff leaked to dana milbank at the post at least 3 times that we'd all be better off had obama listened to him and been PRAGMATIC

    it's rahm who's most disgusted with the professional left who need drug testing, and they're not real happy with him

    the president is de facto leader of his party and this one rode his hard

    he is 100% responsible

    these continued efforts to duck accountability are just part of his many problems

    frankly, you surprise me
    So are you saying that it's Obama's fault that the GOP obstructed all legislation that would have created a public option for health insurance?

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Spineless, Weak, Lying, Shiftless, Thieves. These are but a few of the adjectives I would use to describe those in charge of congress today. And I have stronger terms in mind, but I wouldn't want to offend.

    What say you all, is this the Hope, and Change thing you all expected?

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    The punt will morph into nothing more than a time out and become a punt fake about the time of the Lame Duck session when all the dead locks will be pushed aside along with the Senate rules and they will once again ignore the will of "WE THE PEOPLE" before the Lefties lose control of possibly both Houses of Congress.
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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    it is the president's problem that he picked as his prime piece to cram an obamacare that is so profoundly unpopular any who oppose it must perforce profit at the polls

    and that's exactly what the caucus is complaining about

    sorry

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The punt will morph into nothing more than a time out and become a punt fake about the time of the Lame Duck session when all the dead locks will be pushed aside along with the Senate rules and they will once again ignore the will of "WE THE PEOPLE" before the Lefties lose control of possibly both Houses of Congress.
    that is quite possible, but if it goes down thus the reaction coast to coast will be RAGE

    he mucked up another one, every little move he makes

    and, before we can even get there, they're painted in their corner---they WILL head into this midterm election with the inept explanation to the american taxpayer, "hey, we just couldn't get around to extending the cuts"

    we were too busy NOT laughing at stephen colbert

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it is the president's problem that he picked as his prime piece to cram an obamacare that is so profoundly unpopular any who oppose it must perforce profit at the polls

    and that's exactly what the caucus is complaining about

    sorry
    Not quite.

    Conservative voters are against the health care reform because they see it as too much government intrusion in people's lives.

    Liberal voters are against the health care reform because it is not the full public option they hoped they could get through Congress.

    And it's pretty disingenuous to call it "Obamacare" when it's not even what Obama wanted to pass.

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So are you saying that it's Obama's fault that the GOP obstructed all legislation that would have created a public option for health insurance?

    That's an awfully liberal line you tow about Obamacare there sam. The people don't want cradle to grave entitlements, they don't want big government to take care of them. The people understood that the so called "public option" was really nothing more than a take over and nationalization of their health care.

    But I am astonished that with such big majorities in the congress, liberals continue to whine about how the big bad repubs won't let them legislate. You want checks? There you go buddy. Only its a bad thing when the check blocks what you want to see happen.

    It's all such BS really. Liberals love to claim that repubs are obstructing, or blocking their pet projects when in reality the people are flooding the switchboards and letting their reps know that they don't want what the liberals are peddling. Liberals can't claim that the repubs are blocking anything when they refuse to allow repub amendments to bills, lock them out of the process, and pass 2800 page bills into law without reading a single page in the middle of the night.


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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not quite.

    Conservative voters are against the health care reform because they see it as too much government intrusion in people's lives.

    Liberal voters are against the health care reform because it is not the full public option they hoped they could get through Congress.

    And it's pretty disingenuous to call it "Obamacare" when it's not even what Obama wanted to pass.

    Ah, but Obama himself said that they would get it there didn't he? See the dirty little secret about liberals is that they pass things through even if it isn't the entirety of what they want, because they are very adept at the camel nose under the tent theory. Problem is that they rarely listen to the people because in their arrogance they think they know better.


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