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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I could care less that there are organizations out there that wish to lobby the congress of the US. It is what the corrupt bastards do when presented with corrupt schemes, and then lie to the public that pisses me off.
    But the reason why the bastards are corrupt and enact corrupt schemes is because of all the lobbies that throw money at them.

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But the reason why the bastards are corrupt and enact corrupt schemes is because of all the lobbies that throw money at them.
    And the people that elect them, keep sending them back.
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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And the people that elect them, keep sending them back.
    Yes, because they are influenced so much by tv and radio ads that they pay for with their campaign donations.

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, because they are influenced so much by tv and radio ads that they pay for with their campaign donations.
    It's easy to manipulate people without those things though, before the advent of tv and radio, appeals to emotion were still used widely.

    Just look at the propaganda posters from WW2, all sides used it heavily.

    People are rationally ignorant, they have no need to research policy, other than the short bites and quips they are fed.
    It's one of the problems with democratic elections and majority representation.
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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    here we go again, more condescension, more insulting of the electorate, more "testiness"

    John Kerry: Democrats’ woes stem from uninformed voters - BostonHerald.com

    it looks like the laughs provided by mr colbert aren't lasting

    this party is turning all pissy

    oh well

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    here we go again, more condescension, more insulting of the electorate, more "testiness"

    John Kerry: Democrats’ woes stem from uninformed voters - BostonHerald.com

    it looks like the laughs provided by mr colbert aren't lasting

    this party is turning all pissy

    oh well
    Of course they are. Just like Republicians were with Obama and Democrats the last two elections crying that they were only getting votes because of lack of education on the issues and having to rely solely on campaign spin.

    Political ignorance of voters is what effects every election. This is exactly why the majority power switches parties every other election. If voters were educated on political issue we would see a more consistant percentage control year over year ( I would assume something like 60% R and 40% D) instead of the drastic power flip flops.
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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's easy to manipulate people without those things though, before the advent of tv and radio, appeals to emotion were still used widely.

    Just look at the propaganda posters from WW2, all sides used it heavily.

    People are rationally ignorant, they have no need to research policy, other than the short bites and quips they are fed.
    It's one of the problems with democratic elections and majority representation.
    I would say that before the internet this was true. Now, however, it's MUCH easier to keep track of politicians' voting records and opinions. I think that the generations after us will be less affected by those things.

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But the reason why the bastards are corrupt and enact corrupt schemes is because of all the lobbies that throw money at them.

    So what is your answer to that? Do away with lobbying? You can't!


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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what is your answer to that? Do away with lobbying? You can't!
    You're right. You can't get rid of lobbying.

    But what can be done is take away some of the legislative power from the few. And the best way to do that is to implement reforms that enable popular initiatives on the federal level.

    It doesn't matter how many Congressmen and Senators are in a company's pocket when the people themselves can make decisions regarding legislation.

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    Re: Congress prepares to punt, spend the fall campaigning

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You're right. You can't get rid of lobbying.

    But what can be done is take away some of the legislative power from the few. And the best way to do that is to implement reforms that enable popular initiatives on the federal level.

    It doesn't matter how many Congressmen and Senators are in a company's pocket when the people themselves can make decisions regarding legislation.
    What would the reforms you envision look like? I mean we had one go of it trying to reform campaign finance that is a disaster in free speech rights.

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