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Citizens' Group Helps Uncover Alleged Rampant Voter Fraud in Houston

apdst said:
Voter registration fraud is legal?
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Yes, but not the same as voter fraud. Tow different crimes and with two different consequences.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, but not the same as voter fraud. Tow different crimes and with two different consequences.
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But, still a crime. Yes?? Should be looked into? Questions about why an orginization that receives Federal monies is committing a crime? Right?!?
 
apdst said:
But, still a crime. Yes?? Should be looked into? Questions about why an orginization that receives Federal monies is committing a crime? Right?!?
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I have no problem with the authories looking into any possible crime. But I do have trouble with people mistaking two different crimes, and leaping to conclusions not supported by the facts.
 
Moot said:
Good, because alledge does not mean prove.
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Correct, because "alledge" does not mean anything.

Again, we're talking about "alledged" voter registration fraud, not proven. And you have yet to show any proof of any voter registration fraud or voter fraud or whatever by SEIU. [edit; SEIU was mentioned in Grim's opening statement in case you intended to accuse me of not addressing the topic again]
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Where did I say I had proof? Again, this is not hard to understand. I'm saying that if these things happened, they are crimes.

Your point is taken and you are still wrong. I'm trying to explain to you and very politely I might add, that the OP article is alledging voter registration fraud and that it is a bogus claim simply based on who is making the claim and their long history of voter suppression....read this....

"King Street Patriots". My that has a very tea party sound to it, doesn't it?
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Again, whether or not republicans are the devil has nothing to do with our discussion.

Wtf?? Did you really just say that "lawsuits don't have anything to do with convictions"??? LOL I think you just blew your credibilty right into outer space, RightinNYC.
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Yes, I did say that "lawsuits don't have anything to do with convictions." That statement is true.

A lawsuit is a civil claim filed against a party. If that claim is successful, it's called a judgment. A prosecution is when criminal charges are brought against a party. If those charges are successful, that's called a conviction. There is no such thing as a "conviction" resulting from a "lawsuit."

If you don't understand how the law works, I would recommend that you don't speak authoritatively on it.

No, that isn't what I'm arguing at all. What am I arguing is that Republicans have a long history of voter fraud, suppression, and intimidation and that accusing voter registration groups of fraud is one of their more notorious and fraudulent tactics.
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All of which has nothing to do with the issue we're discussing.

It might also interest you to know this little "King Street Patriot" group down there in Houston are the main suspects for burning down the warehouse holding all of Harris County's voting machines. Yeah, you heard that right. Now if that isn't cause for a criminal investigation into voter suppression and fraud, then what hell is? ....
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LOL

They're the "main suspect" according to some retard on huffpost. Let me know what the cops say.

hazlnut said:
You far-righties had this problem before, you don't understand the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud....

Watch out, the ACORN boogeyman is coming to get you....!!!!!
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Boo Radley said:
Yes, but not the same as voter fraud. Tow different crimes and with two different consequences.
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I'd love for either you to explain the difference in terms of the statutes used to prosecute each crime and the penalty that is assessed.

I mean, the DoJ says that they're both voter fraud crimes, but you guys must know a lot more about this than they do.
 
Boo Radley said:
I have no problem with the authories looking into any possible crime. But I do have trouble with people mistaking two different crimes, and leaping to conclusions not supported by the facts.
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What do you think the motivation to commit voter registration fraud is? SEIU and ACERN have to be getting something out of it? A path to election rigging, perhaps? Then, it would be voter fraud, too.
 
apdst said:
What do you think the motivation to commit voter registration fraud is? SEIU and ACERN have to be getting something out of it? A path to election rigging, perhaps? Then, it would be voter fraud, too.
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With ACORN, as I recall, it was the registrators making more money. Mickey Mouse never showed up to vote. You can't leap to conclusions like you're doing now. The two crimes are different and don't automatically lead to the other.
 
Boo Radley said:
With ACORN, as I recall, it was the registrators making more money. Mickey Mouse never showed up to vote. You can't leap to conclusions like you're doing now. The two crimes are different and don't automatically lead to the other.
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But, still a crime? How confident are you that our current DoJ will persue these crimes?
 
apdst said:
But, still a crime? How confident are you that our current DoJ will persue these crimes?
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As confident as I ever was. There is no evidence this administration is apolitical as the previous one was. The Bush DoJ was very political and used the DOJ as an arm of the republican party, much to my dismay. I see no evidence this one is a s bad.
 
I have a dream...that one day, black people and white people; liberal people and conservative people; will stand up when they see bull**** and obvious and blatant violations of law. That they will stand united in opposition to such behavior and not excuse it, justify it, rationalize it, or gleefully condone it. That stuffing ballot boxes on college campuses...and finding votes that have been 'lost' in closets...and collecting homeless people and bribing them with alcohol and cigarettes...and manuevering to block ballots cast by soldiers serving overseas...that paying people to register to vote and then having people vote under cartoon characters names might be iniversally condemned as wrong...oh...I have a dream. That allegations of voter intimidation b e FULLY investigated and where found to be valid, those guilty be prosecuted under federal criminal statutes. That all elligible citizens be allowed their vote and that any effort to deny that vote be punished...I have a dream...
 
No one is suggesting that people who violate the law shouldn't be punished.
 
The jig is up, folks. The charges of voter registration fraud are as phoney as Mr. Leo Vasquez and the King Street Patriots. Burning down a warehouse containing all the voter machines for all of Harris County is going to put an end that racist little tea party down there in Houston.
 
Moot said:
The jig is up, folks. The charges of voter registration fraud are as phoney as Mr. Leo Vasquez and the King Street Patriots. Burning down a warehouse containing all the voter machines for all of Harris County is going to put an end that racist little tea party down there in Houston.
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So rather than responding to my points, you're just going to pretend that you're right and throw out more conspiracy theories about how the evil republicans are torching buildings to win elections. Par for the course.
 
and besides...no one ever violates the law...
 
RightinNYC said:
So rather than responding to my points, you're just going to pretend that you're right and throw out more conspiracy theories about how the evil republicans are torching buildings to win elections. Par for the course.
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"Racist", Republicans; not evil Republicans.
 
apdst said:
"Racist", Republicans; not evil Republicans.
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They have to be evil too, I mean, they managed to torch a building while making it seem like an electrical fire:

The Houston Fire Department has not yet ruled out arson as the cause of a massive fire last month that destroyed most of the county's voting machines. But arson investigators are working on the theory that it was accidentally fire that started in the building's electrical system.

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On Thursday, Arson Chief Gabe Cortez said they have found no evidence an accelerant, such as gasoline, was used in the fire. "We will examine some of the items recovered microscopically and with X-rays, and have electrical engineers look at those," Cortez said. Until that's done, investigators won't officially rule on the cause. The arson chief said there is evidence that the fire started accidentally in the building's electrical system.
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Arson Not Ruled Out In Voting Machines' Fire - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston
 
RightinNYC said:
So rather than responding to my points, you're just going to pretend that you're right and throw out more conspiracy theories about how the evil republicans are torching buildings to win elections. Par for the course.
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I'm addressing the OP article that you failed to read. Here's more on the topic if you care to address it, instead of pretending the phoney charges of voter registration fraud aren't part of a systematic attempt to suppress voting in Houston by the tea party. Especially now that there is a majority of Katrina refugees to tip the scales in favor of Democrats in this years election.....

".....As we head towards November, more such anti-democratic efforts such as King Street Patriots' "True the Vote" are sure to emerge in hopes of frightening voters from voting and challenging them at the polls.

One such effort emerged this week and is being documented --- with actual hard evidence, including secret conference call recordings and other documents --- by a group called Save Wisconsin's Vote.

The group is charging that Americans for Prosperity, local WI "Tea Party" groups and the state Republican Party are colluding to suppress votes in a coordinated vote caging scheme meant to challenge the legitimacy of voters at the polling place. Transcripts of a conference call between the groups --- which may itself be illegal, since political parties are not supposed to coordinate with non-profit organizations --- reveal many of the same baseless charges of "voter fraud" as made by the Houston group. (We are looking further into the WI story and may have much more on it in the near future.)

Perhaps Horowitz was right, in part. Perhaps "the voting system is under attack". But it certainly doesn't seem to be under attack from "the radical Left" --- or from anybody on the Left, for that matter.....read

Houston Voting Machine Fire Update and Shouting 'Voter Fraud' in a Crowded Midterm Election | World News |Axisoflogic.com

What the heck is vote caging, and why does nobody care? - By Dahlia Lithwick - Slate Magazine
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Ooo, American's for Prosperity. Say, aren't they funded by the Koch's???

Watch the press conference detailing the voter caging plot....
Save Wisconsin's Vote 2010

Well, there you have it, the hard core evidence that the tea party and the Koch's, American for Prosperity have been plotting to commit illegal voter caging and fraud, so you can stop pretending it's a conspiracy theory now, RightinNYC. It is no longer a theory, it's a fact.
 
Moot said:
I'm addressing the OP article that you failed to read. Here's more on the topic if you care to address it, instead of pretending the phoney charges of voter registration fraud aren't part of a systematic attempt to suppress voting in Houston by the tea party. Especially now that there is a majority of Katrina refugees to tip the scales in favor of Democrats in this years election.....

Ooo, American's for Prosperity. Say, aren't they funded by the Koch's???

Watch the press conference detailing the voter caging plot....
Save Wisconsin's Vote 2010

Well, there you have it, the hard core evidence that the tea party and the Koch's, American for Prosperity have been plotting to commit illegal voter caging and fraud, so you can stop pretending it's a conspiracy theory now, RightinNYC. It is no longer a theory, it's a fact.
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That doesn't make any sense, what with obvious wins, by Republicans, all across the country.

Two words automatically come to mind: Reichstag Fire.
 
Moot said:
I'm addressing the OP article that you failed to read. Here's more on the topic if you care to address it, instead of pretending the phoney charges of voter registration fraud aren't part of a systematic attempt to suppress voting in Houston by the tea party. Especially now that there is a majority of Katrina refugees to tip the scales in favor of Democrats in this years election.....

Ooo, American's for Prosperity. Say, aren't they funded by the Koch's???

Watch the press conference detailing the voter caging plot....
Save Wisconsin's Vote 2010



Well, there you have it, the hard core evidence that the tea party and the Koch's, American for Prosperity have been plotting to commit illegal voter caging and fraud, so you can stop pretending it's a conspiracy theory now, RightinNYC. It is no longer a theory, it's a fact.
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Oh Goody! It's time to play tit for tat......Ok Moot, care to speak on this movement?

The Secretary of State is the chief elections official in each state, so he/she is responsible for the conduct of elections and establishment of election day rules. A position and role mostly unknown by the majority of citizens in this country before the 2000 election.

Someone of great wealth recognized the power of the Secretaries of State. The power to ultimately decide, perhaps by manipulating and interpreting state election law partisanly, to place their chosen candidate into office.

And the name of the person I am referring to is George Soros.

Most everyone has heard his name. Most don’t know his background and don’t care. He stays behind the scenes and pulls the strings. And he didn’t like it much that Katherine Harris put GWB into office. Not his candidate. “I wanted Gore to win, and this will never happen again! So what can I do about it?”

“I can create the Secretary of State Project. I can back monetarily and help propel Democratic Secretaries of States into office in the states where I feel they can help my candidate into office.” Here is a quote from the website:

Since we launched in the fall of 2005, we have engaged in eleven races and have backed the winning candidate in nine states, including: Ohio, Minnesota, Iowa, Oregon, New Mexico, Montana, Nevada, West Virginia and Missouri. We lost only in Michigan and Colorado (and there by a tiny margin).

According to Ballotpedia.org the founders of the Secretary of State Project include movie actor Rob Reiner, Norman Lear, Drummond Pike (founder and president of the TIDES Foundation) and SEIU.

“The Dirty Dozen Minus Three”: The Secretary of State Project | RedState
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and you can rest assured that isn't all Soros has his dirty little hands in concerning our government today.

j-mac
 
Moot said:
Well, there you have it, the hard core evidence that the tea party and the Koch's, American for Prosperity have been plotting to commit illegal voter caging and fraud, so you can stop pretending it's a conspiracy theory now, RightinNYC. It is no longer a theory, it's a fact.
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Just like the torching of the voting machines. Damn, you've got it all figured out. Wheels within wheels, man.
 
j-mac said:
Yep, and the twin towers fell because they were blown up by charges set by Cheney too weren't they?


Now go play.
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You're a riot j-mac .


Watch Kenneth Glatney waving at the police car (1:30) in the following video. He was picked to be 'injured' because he was the token black it the Tea Party.

The guy that was being kicked was a black SEIU member with a blue SEIU shirt and white pants. You can see him holding his left shoulder at 0:20 in the following video:

 
Those people shouldn't be registering to vote several times. I would guess that most of them didn't even go to the polls to vote.

When you are living in the poorest part of town, you will have several nice people come to your door prior to an election. Some of these nice people might even give you a twenty dollar bill if you will simply register using one of their forms. The various voter registration drives are not organized into a single administration. The continuous overlap that occurs on your front porch is a nice supplement to your fixed income. "Have you registered to vote"? "No, I don't get around like I used to." "Here's twenty bucks. Just sign here". "OK, thank you very much".
 
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