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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

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    Nobody said anything about John Lott.

    Gun control makes violent crime more prevalent. Deal with it.
    that is one of the intended purposes of gun control People who feel helpless in the face of criminal predation are more likely to willingly cede more and more rights to the government in order to achieve more safety.



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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    lol - "giddy abandon"

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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

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    Someone who has an IQ of 69 is much more likely to murder someone than a person of average IQ. I'm not giving her any excuses, I just don't think she should have been executed. I don't think anyone should be executed. Judging by Americas murder rate it obviously isn't a useful detterent so what is the point of it. Also the risk of executing an innocent person is too great.

    Shouldn't you Christian conservatives be against anyways on the grounds of religion, I thought god was the only person who could judge a man for his sins..I don't think Jesus would approve of the execution of a woman who scored a 69 on her IQ test, do you?
    Please forgive my indignation at your seriously flawed hypothesis, it is as wrong as anyone who is thinking the Sun comes up in the east each and every morning.

    What's that? You say Everyone knows the the Sun comes up in the east every morning and has since the beginning of time.

    It is not my intention to be little anyone but educate people to the reality of nature and the reality of the nature of the human.

    Truth is the Sun only appears to rise in the east, when in fact the Sun did nothing but remain motionless and as our earth turns we see what looks like tha sune not only comes up but that it tracks across the sky all day until it appears to go down, when in fact the Earth is turning giving us the illusion of the Sun being in motion. It's a matter of perspective.

    Now from your perspective it appears the death penalty has NO deterrent affect on murders.

    To understand why this is wrong you must first compare the threat of punishing a child for doing something that you have warned them about over, and over again but, we never follow through on the threat.

    What message does the child get? They learn that you are all talk and there are no consequences to their actions.

    The same is now true of people who commit murder. They see people on death row for many years playing the system and if by some slim chance they are finally put to death it's no worse than taking an ambien pill and peacefully going to sleep.

    That doesn't hurt.

    But now let's look at the death penalty when it worked and people feared the scales of justice.

    When you were found guilty of a Capital Crime the Judge would say something like: You will be removed from this Court and be delivered to the place of execution were at Sunrise tomorrow you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead.

    Now Brothers and Sisters that is a deterrent. Sadly we have become too soft on criminals.

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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I don't plan on ever putting myself in a situation where I need a gun or where I am met by somebody with a gun.
    No one does - and yet it happens all the time. Why do you choose to be defenseless?

    Why do people need M-16s and AK-47s??
    Welll.. the right to arms is all about people always having access to an effective means to kill other people, because sometimes it is necessary for people to do that.
    Given that, why -not- have an M16?

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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    the only things that make victims safe are the police, courts, jails...
    Wait... only the state can make us safe?
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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    I find it interesting that she got the needle, while the men who actually committed the murders got off with life in prison.
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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    Historically, an IQ of 70 has been considered the threshold for mental retardation.
    "Borderline intellectual functioning" is defined as an IQ between 84 and 70 (which would probably describe 85% of the prison population), but anything below 70 is indisputably "mentally retarded".
    This woman tested at 69, so I'm not sure why people keep talking about her being "borderline retarded", or "almost retarded", or whatever.
    She is (was) mentally retarded.
    The fact that she's not as profoundly mentally retarded as some other people does not make this any less true.

    Whether this should have disqualified her from the death penalty is a whole different debate, but I would like it if we could at least be honest about the facts: she was mentally retarded.
    That does not mean she was good. Mentally retarded people can be bad, too.
    It may or may not mean that she wasn't fully cognizant of the consequences of her actions.
    There is a reason we don't execute children, or punish them as adults.
    It's because they don't entirely have the capacity to understand the consequences of their actions.
    Personally, I doubt this woman did, either.
    Her understanding of the world, and of right and wrong, was probably pretty childlike.

    Is her death a great loss?
    Not really. The death of her two victims- one of them a united States soldier- is a greater loss. I'd advocate killing her if it would bring them back.
    But since it won't, I don't see much point in killing her, except to make bereaved family members of the victims feel better.
    And since neither of her co-conspirators were or will be put to death, I can't see how killing her will really offer the family any closure in this matter.

    That's my feeling on it.
    I've known people with IQs in the same range as this woman; as adults, they can appear- on short acquaintance- almost normal. They can also be manipulative. They can use sexuality to their advantage. None of this means, however, that they are capable of functioning cognitively as adults.

    I don't really care that she's dead, but I think we could've just as well allowed her to serve out a life sentence, and perhaps executed one of the gunmen instead, if blood atonement was really necessary.
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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Historically, an IQ of 70 has been considered the threshold for mental retardation.
    "Borderline intellectual functioning" is defined as an IQ between 84 and 70 (which would probably describe 85% of the prison population), but anything below 70 is indisputably "mentally retarded".
    This woman tested at 69, so I'm not sure why people keep talking about her being "borderline retarded", or "almost retarded", or whatever.
    She is (was) mentally retarded.
    The fact that she's not as profoundly mentally retarded as some other people does not make this any less true.
    Her IQ was 72, not 69.

    Cognitive testing showed a Full Scale IQ of 72. Verbal IQ was 70, and Performance IQ was 79.
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    Re: First Woman Executed in the U.S. in Five Years

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is one of the intended purposes of gun control People who feel helpless in the face of criminal predation are more likely to willingly cede more and more rights to the government in order to achieve more safety.
    Wrong.

    Ask anybody in law enforcement or criminal justice, gun control is about protecting peace officers who work in high crime areas, as well as federal officers who go after criminals who use illegal hand guns to commit crimes.

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