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GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

Then have them read it. Hell, there are even places to get the low down on it that are accurate enough to releive a lot of the fear mongering crap. There is no need for anyone being too scared.
Well it's not your money.

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Understanding why isn’t hard. To qualify for the tax credits, a company must pay for at least 50 percent of their employees’ health insurance premiums. Companies with few employees and low payrolls receive the highest percentage of tax credits. The maximum credit amount is 35 percent of an employer’s contribution to premiums in 2010, and 50 percent starting in 2014. But the tax credits will stop entirely after 2016.
A tax credit that dries up in six years provides little incentive for employers to assume massive health costs.. And in a struggling economy, with employers looking to cut costs anywhere they can, the appeal diminishes even more.

Obamacare Small Business Tax Credits Won't Stop Job Losses | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.
 
You didn't really do that did you?

Not a spelling nazi, just messin' with you...;)

You've never heard that before?
What a maroon! just kidding, I don't really think you're a maroon. :)
 
so.......they pay their taxes, and you begrudge them their wealth........why do you hate rich people?

Yeah, Obama's all about telling people when they've made enough money, just as long as HE is doing the telling. Why do you support a greedy, hypocritical punk ass hole for president?
 
Yeah, Obama's all about telling people when they've made enough money, just as long as HE is doing the telling. Why do you support a greedy, hypocritical punk ass hole for president?

Uh Oh...I think that's code for you don't like having a black president. :)
 
You didn't really do that did you?

Not a spelling nazi, just messin' with you...;)

I really DID do that. And it wasn't spelled wrong, ya maroon. :mrgreen:
 
I, for one, cannot wait until we return to that fiscally responsible 2008 spending level. (along with extending the tax cuts so we also have 2008 tax levels).

That will definitely solve our debt problems and those tax/spending levels will definitely keep us out of economic trouble.
 
too bad their rate of pay wasnt also rescinded to the 2008 level.
 
oh my god. if small business owners are too ****ing lazy to read a bill that they THINK affects them negatively, maybe their businesses will fail because they are both stupid and lazy.

Unfortunately, business owners don't get to interpret the mumbo-jumbo. The government does.

are corporate taxes being raised? and please use an example of small business instead of donald trumps "friend"....weren't we discussing small business? never mind, again no facts.

Health Care Bill Text - H.R. 4872 - Reconciliation Act of 2010 - OpenCongress

Yes! Corporate taxes are being raised. Where you been? Capital gains taxes are going up 18%.
 
I, for one, cannot wait until we return to that fiscally responsible 2008 spending level. (along with extending the tax cuts so we also have 2008 tax levels).

That will definitely solve our debt problems and those tax/spending levels will definitely keep us out of economic trouble.

Who was running the show in 2008? I'll give you hint; it wasn't the Repubs.
 
It's the Democrats that have a Contract ON America the Republicans had a Contract WITH America. The big difference is America doesn't know what is in the Democrat's contract on them. The Democarats secret contract mostly comprises of stealing the peoples money through taxes, destroying the free enterprise system and converting as many people as possible to dependence on the government.

What a bunch of crap. The contract w/ america involved lying about WMD, allowing Wall Street to bone us, dereged the oiling drilling stuff, let New Orleans float down the Mississippi. Wait mission accomplished?

If your party was the solution for america, they'd be in office still. Take ownership for the crap they pulled.

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Can you say, "4% unemployment"? The Dems took over in 2007. When did the recession get cranked up? How much good has the Democrats's, "plan", to make everything better worked? How many jobs have been killed and how many billions in tax dollars have been wasted to bail out the unions? Don't tell me that you actually believe that a 18% increase in the capital gains tax is going to help small businesses grow.

That is lame. Clinton left you with a balanced budget. Was it balanced when he left?
 
It's the Democrats that have a Contract ON America the Republicans had a Contract WITH America. The big difference is America doesn't know what is in the Democrat's contract on them. The Democarats secret contract mostly comprises of stealing the peoples money through taxes, destroying the free enterprise system and converting as many people as possible to dependence on the government.

I burst out laughing when I read you post (I appreciated your humor); but I feel you have it backwards. The Democrats and Republicans are self-serving if the truth be told. We are squawking about the same things being done by different measures. They are in a never ending mode of campaigning for $ so they are all in the pockets of someone. It is not unlike a high school football rivalry and with less maturity.
 
seems he just did...did you bother to watch the townhall?

When asked by another participant whether the ‘American Dream’ was dead, the president said “Absolutely not…We are still the country that billions of people in the world look to and aspire to.”

and of course you don't want to bother.....you never waste your time with facts.

he said, he said...

LOL!

what OTHERS said at georgetown monday morning

john harwood---the recession has been declared over (applause), but didn't the bigwigs mostly benefit?

absolutely not, we inherited this economy, we took emergency steps, we staved off depression, the programs we put in place worked, we've stabililized the markets, we've seen 8 months of private sector job growth, when you're in a hole so deep the first thing you must do is stop digging, folks are hurting, many in the audience (loud applause), we must continue to head in a positive direction, we can't go in a negative direction, we've cut cap gains on small biz, r&d, student loans, progress is slow and steady, there's no quick fix, it took us 10 years to get in this hole, the wsj says from 2001 to 2009 real income declined 5%, it's gonna take more time

harwood---i know, we've heard that many times, could it be that your elite education, your personal style, your racial heritage, make it so you understand intellectually what americans are going thru without really feeling it?

absolutely not, i could be green, i could be purple and if the economy were doing well it wouldn't matter, there's the big picture but if you're outta work all you're really thinking about is where's the job, if you've lost your home, my grandparents, GI bill, FHA, my life is a testimony to the american dream, that's why i ran, everything i've done is to continue that american dream, i think about the next generation and not the next election

the now famous cfo---i'm exhausted from defending you (that wide obama smile), i'm deeply disappointed, i was told i was voting for a man who would bring meaningful change for the middle class, i never expected a great measure, but a small one, quite frankly i'm not feeling it, hard to put food on the table, is this my new reality?

absolutely not...

harwood---the psychology, business confidence, you talk about THEM like dogs (nervous laugh), are you villifying biz?

harwood---do you see work for profit as morally inferior to the kind of work you did as community organizer?

absolutely not...

a 30 year old law student who wants to go into public service---there are no jobs, i took those student loans, i can't pay the interest, i can't afford to get married (lots of laughter, obama---whatever the expense its worth it), i was inspired by your message but the inspiration is dying away, what concrete steps? is the american dream dead for me?

absolutely not...

harwood---any course correction, any signal of a changed approach, will geithner and summers stay?

harwood---your debt commission?

harwood---orszag (who wrote the op ed in the nyt calling for extending bush tax cuts to all)?

harwood---pelosi says you can get 80% of the revenue by taxing only those making over a mil?

a small biz owner from pennsylvania, 3rd generation monogram glassmaker---you were right to reinvest in business, the stimulus funded ailing small biz, the challenge is the public is fearful and negative, you saved the autos and it might even look like you're gonna turn a profit yet critics paint you as dramatically anti biz prez, the public just doesn't get it, how do you win back the center, you're losing the war of sound bites

(the next day, this lone sychophant declared, "obama never answered my question")

rick santelli (video)---would investors invest in a concern that borrows 42 cents per dollar, how long can we continue without hurting our longterm health?

harwood---are you telling americans to buck up and prepare for lower services from soc sec and medicare?

mba from georgetown---the govt is too large, that's what tea's about, what are you gonna do if these candidates are elected?

harwood---tea accuses you of altering constitution, the commerce clause?

harwood---after the stimulus is it time to focus on the private sector?

a wall street lawyer---i went to school with you, i fouled you in a basketball game (obama says he remembers, everyone laughs), i feel whacked by a stick, if i hire someone in nyc for 50K it costs me 90 and she walks home with 35, when will you stop whacking wall street like a pinata?

the last 3 questions concerned foreign policy
 
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That is lame. Clinton left you with a balanced budget. Was it balanced when he left?

Who got him to move to the center so he could end with a balanced budget?
Problem is, Obama will be too stubborn to move to the center when Rep. take over this time. All they'll be able to do is keep sending bills to his desk for him to veto. That won't look so good. He'll get the title of the Presidentcy of NO.
They'll also be able to stop funding on some of his more egregious policies.
At least we won't be seeing that 2000 pg crap and tax bill or anything like blanket amnesty.
 
That is lame. Clinton left you with a balanced budget. Was it balanced when he left?

gee whiz! Who controlled Congress when we had a balanced budget?? I'll give you a hint; it wasn't the Dems.

:rofl
 
What a bunch of crap. The contract w/ america involved lying about WMD

Shall I post quotes from all the Dems that were swearin' up-n-down that Iraq had nukes?

allowing Wall Street to bone us

You mean, when Slick Willy repealed the Glass-Steagal Act?


dereged the oiling drilling stuff

Whihc put people to work, but I know that's irrelevant.

let New Orleans float down the Mississippi.

That would be the Democrat governer of Louisiana and the Democrat mayor of New Orleans that cocked that up.

If your party was the solution for america, they'd be in office still. Take ownership for the crap they pulled.

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What, besdies pushing everyone onto welfare, have the Dems done to make things better? Please, be specific.
 
um......what will they cut, specifically? seems to me the "pledge" is just recycled bull****.

Liblady, your party has been in charge since January 2007 and what do we have to show for it? "Your" President took over in January 2009 and today, 2010, we have 4 million more unemployed than we had when he took office, 3 trillion added to the debt, and 1.6% economic growth. Unemployment this year by month is higher than it was by month in 2009 so he has made things worse. Is that the record you are proud of? Obviously that is the record you want to ignore so it is attack everyone else.
 
That is lame. Clinton left you with a balanced budget. Was it balanced when he left?

Tell me did Clinton sign budgets that he proposed or that were proposed by the Republican controlled Congress? Did Clinton propose more or less spending than the Republican Controlled Congress?

I keep hearing about that balanced budget but for some reason I cannot find any period when the debt was reduced which is what a balanced budget and surplus would do. It was a projected surplus and just like all other liberal projections were lies fed to the minions that support them.
 
Liblady, your party has been in charge since January 2007 and what do we have to show for it? "Your" President took over in January 2009 and today, 2010, we have 4 million more unemployed than we had when he took office, 3 trillion added to the debt, and 1.6% economic growth. Unemployment this year by month is higher than it was by month in 2009 so he has made things worse. Is that the record you are proud of? Obviously that is the record you want to ignore so it is attack everyone else.

The folks who are already slaves to the system won't be able to get it.
 
The folks who are already slaves to the system won't be able to get it.

Yep, that is probably the most frustrating issue, the Obama supporter doesn't want to see what is happening or willing to admit what the Democrat agenda is doing to this country. It is almost like a cult following. Facts, logic, and common sense as well as basic civics are foreign to most liberals.
 
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um......what will they cut, specifically? seems to me the "pledge" is just recycled bull****.


Maybe they'll get in there and they'll all act just like Chris Christie. :)
 
The folks who are already slaves to the system won't be able to get it.

Well since you and Councilman think the GOP a d Bush brought us such prosperity why was the congress majority voted out in 2006 and then the same in 2008 as well as the presidency.

GOP were failures to America, that is why. Conservatism is the AIDS of the political spectrum, may it die out quickly
 
Who was running the show in 2008? I'll give you hint; it wasn't the Repubs.

So what you're saying is that the GOP is promising to use Democrat spending and tax practices? I'm sure that will go over well. Would you also agree that 2008 taxes and 2008 spending would not be particularly "fiscally responsible," especially when revenues are down due to the recession?

Besides, Bush still had the veto pen and the Democrats did not have a filibuster-proof majority. If the GOP had really wanted to take a stand on spending they could have. I don't see why anyone would take this Contract Pledge With To America seriously.
 
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