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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Oh, it's like that sig somebody's wearing about loving boobs, allegedly stated by the Pope.
    The pope has a dim view of boobs? Maybe he should get some glasses, and some testosterone shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the usual tactic of Libbos. When Republicans are to blame, blame the Republicans. When the Democrats are to blame, blame everyone. Just like Katrina.
    You mean like everything was Clinton's fault? remember we just got over 12 years of conservatives excuse Bush for every stupid thing he did.

    However, the thing is, something this large is never done by one single person. Only a partisan idiot would argue that it has been. The deficit isn't new and didn't just start with Obama. And I distinctly remember hearing arguments by conservatives that the deficit didn't matter when Bush and republicans were spending like drunker saliors during the Bush years. Heck, even Reagan wasn't opposed to some deficit spending.

    So, let's give credit where credit is due. Neither republcains or cemocrats will seriously tackle the deficit until they are forced to. This deficit problem didn't happen over night, and no magic will fix it. It will be difficult and long term, and it will require making both republicans and democrats unhappy. So, keep talking to your representatives demanding that they cut spending and increase taxes, . . . if you really care about the deficit that is.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean like everything was Clinton's fault? remember we just got over 12 years of conservatives excuse Bush for every stupid thing he did.

    The people are awake now.


    However, the thing is, something this large is never done by one single person. Only a partisan idiot would argue that it has been. The deficit isn't new and didn't just start with Obama. And I distinctly remember hearing arguments by conservatives that the deficit didn't matter when Bush and republicans were spending like drunker saliors during the Bush years. Heck, even Reagan wasn't opposed to some deficit spending.

    Agreed, this is why repubs lost their hold on both houses in 2006, and the Presidency in 2008. But it sure didn't help demo's to instantly start lying to the American public.

    So, let's give credit where credit is due. Neither republcains or cemocrats will seriously tackle the deficit until they are forced to. This deficit problem didn't happen over night, and no magic will fix it. It will be difficult and long term, and it will require making both republicans and democrats unhappy. So, keep talking to your representatives demanding that they cut spending and increase taxes, . . . if you really care about the deficit that is.
    I think most people know that getting out of this is going to be painful, but they just don't want to make it worse as they go. Raising taxes in a depression like what we are in will do that.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The pope has a dim view of boobs? Maybe he should get some glasses, and some testosterone shots.
    No, according to the sig, he <3 big boobs.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    [b]]You mean like everything was Clinton's fault? remember we just got over 12 years of conservatives excuse Bush for every stupid thing he did.
    Find where I said it was, "all CLinton's fault", then get back to me.

    However, the thing is, something this large is never done by one single person. Only a partisan idiot would argue that it has been. The deficit isn't new and didn't just start with Obama. And I distinctly remember hearing arguments by conservatives that the deficit didn't matter when Bush and republicans were spending like drunker saliors during the Bush years. Heck, even Reagan wasn't opposed to some deficit spending.
    So, Obama is a partisan idiot? All we hear is how it's Bush's fault and about the, "failed policies of the past". He enver mentions the failing policies we have presently.
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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Find where I said it was, "all CLinton's fault", then get back to me.



    So, Obama is a partisan idiot? All we hear is how it's Bush's fault and about the, "failed policies of the past". He enver mentions the failing policies we have presently.
    Not sure I was speaking about just "you." But do you deny many argued it was Clinton fault all through the Bush presidency?

    Obama is certainly partisan. And he is palying a partisan game. Nothing new in this. But he does require his audience to be non-thinking just as those trying to excuse Bush are. The deficit needed both republicans and democrats to grow to where it is now, and neither has done what is needed to reduce, and if they ever did, they would be booted out of office faster than they have lately. It is not politically viable to be fiscally repsonsible. Sadly.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure I was speaking about just "you." But do you deny many argued it was Clinton fault all through the Bush presidency?
    Some perhaps. I can't imagine that the prosperity during the Bush presidency was Clinton's fault.

    Obama is certainly partisan. And he is palying a partisan game. Nothing new in this. But he does require his audience to be non-thinking just as those trying to excuse Bush are. The deficit needed both republicans and democrats to grow to where it is now, and neither has done what is needed to reduce, and if they ever did, they would be booted out of office faster than they have lately. It is not politically viable to be fiscally repsonsible. Sadly.
    Over a trillion dollars in so called stimulus certainly didn't help. Killing jobs, with new legislation isn't going to help. Increasing taxes on an already depressed private sector is going to make things worse, not to mention what Obamacare is going to do. Now, tell us, who did all that? It wasn't the Republicans.
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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some perhaps. I can't imagine that the prosperity during the Bush presidency was Clinton's fault.



    Over a trillion dollars in so called stimulus certainly didn't help. Killing jobs, with new legislation isn't going to help. Increasing taxes on an already depressed private sector is going to make things worse, not to mention what Obamacare is going to do. Now, tell us, who did all that? It wasn't the Republicans.
    There wasn't that much properity. Really, that is revisionist on your part.

    As for helping, no it didn't help the deficit. But, are you arguing there were no other considerations? I would say much of it would have caused more problems had he not spent on the stimulus. In fact, he may not have spent enough. Deficit spending and stimulus spending, even bailouts are not new. A president who did nothing would face far more outrage than what Obama is now.

    The rest of your complain is not supported by facts. There is no evidence tax increases kill jobs. Remember, we're under the tax cuts right now. Where are the jobs?

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    CORRECTION to my post (#231) where I stated:

    "All four Acts were signed with a Republican House majority in Congress. (See last page of linked pdf document)"

    Two Acts were signed with a Democrat House majority; two with a Republican House majority. So, except for which party the presiding President was affiliated with at the time the Acts were signed into law, both sides are equally at fault.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There wasn't that much properity. Really, that is revisionist on your part.

    As for helping, no it didn't help the deficit. But, are you arguing there were no other considerations? I would say much of it would have caused more problems had he not spent on the stimulus. In fact, he may not have spent enough. Deficit spending and stimulus spending, even bailouts are not new. A president who did nothing would face far more outrage than what Obama is now.

    The rest of your complain is not supported by facts. There is no evidence tax increases kill jobs. Remember, we're under the tax cuts right now. Where are the jobs?
    Wait another year, or so. There'll be mountains of evidence for you.

    Did you ever wonder why the economy took off after WW2? Was it because of the war, or bcause of the massive tax cuts following the war.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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