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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I can say it because people have always used government to tackle large problems. There is a reason for this. It is easier for a large number to carry and huge load, or to tackle bigger problems. This is not new, and it has been allowed all along. And challenges brought before the courts have often allowed this as well. Again, it is our hsitory.
    That all depends upon one's overall political paradigm, so arguing it isn't probably going to do much good. Suffice it to say I vehemently disagree.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    That all depends upon one's overall political paradigm, so arguing it isn't probably going to do much good. Suffice it to say I vehemently disagree.
    And I respect that. We're at a philosphical disagreement, which is fair. Conservative and I at a factual disagreement.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

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    While long, (8000 words), familiar and with obvious holes - this is a first step of "getting back to basics" by the GOP they're selling to voters. Critics on the Right however, are seeing it as watered down beltway business as usual.

    Redstate says:

    "At a time when America needs a bold, simple, fresh plan for putting America on the path to fiscal and constitutional sanity - we get instead an almost 8000 word term paper of inside-the-beltway regurgitation that lacks the one thing the American people seem to be dying to have… actual leadership. Harsh? Hardly."
    I give credit to the GOP for seeing the writing on the wall left by the Tea Party: get back to basics or else. The GOP isn't jumping into that pool head first... they're wading in and they should. A vast swing to the right with some "bold" plan espousing cutting Social Security, Medicare and the Dept. of Ed. is a sure fire loser. The missing parts like a pledge to cut earmarks, to pass term limits, or to cut corporate tax to the levels the rest of the world uses is missing. Republicans need to understand however, they can't wade in the pool forever. This is a nice first step but it needs some concrete follow up and not on November 3rd --- sooner. We don't need a bold "let's change Washington into Conservative Utopia" - that's what Obama campaigned with a "Progressive Utopia" and we all know that hope and change went down the toilet quick.

    Pledge to America - full text.
    I'm not just singling out the GOP when I say this, but why would anyone believe lofty campaign promises anymore? Haven't people had enough of being lied to by transparently power-grabbing parties and their relentless sycophants?

    I swear... the first party to actually be honest about what they can and cannot do will probably win the next Presidential election.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm not just singling out the GOP when I say this, but why would anyone believe lofty campaign promises anymore? Haven't people had enough of being lied to by transparently power-grabbing parties and their relentless sycophants?

    I swear... the first party to actually be honest about what they can and cannot do will probably win the next Presidential election.
    I agree. We should demand more form everyone running. We may still have to choose froma lessor of two evils, or the best possible option, depending on how you want to phrase it, but at least we shouldn't accept all this silliness as the gospel from either side.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm not just singling out the GOP when I say this, but why would anyone believe lofty campaign promises anymore? Haven't people had enough of being lied to by transparently power-grabbing parties and their relentless sycophants?

    I swear... the first party to actually be honest about what they can and cannot do will probably win the next Presidential election.
    Nah, the electorate has shown that it is more than happy to be lied to. We don't elect a leader of the executive branch any more, we elect a person we want to have unlimited powers to fix all the world's problems before dinnertime. If you think I'm wrong, go back and look at the **** Obama caught for not stopping the BP oil spill.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    If I were elected, I'd have the national debt back to $0 by the end of my first term.

    What's that? You want me to explain how? I'm going to do it by restoring fiscal responsibility to the American government.

    What do you mean, "that's not an answer?" I'm not going to play "gotcha" games with the press. Thank you for your time, and God Bless America.
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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    gee whiz! Who controlled Congress when we had a balanced budget?? I'll give you a hint; it wasn't the Dems.

    When Pres. Clinton held office (1992-1996/1996-2000), he had a Democratic majority in both chambers of Congress from 1992-1995, exactly 3 yrs. From 1995 until 2007, Republicans held Congress. Now, granted, when Clinton left office he did hand his predecessor a balanced budget. To that, I will give credit where credit is due and make the bold statement that this might have come at the hands of having a Republican Congress, but look at how they did it...

    Republicans didn't necessarily cut meaningless spending or anything like that although they did pickup where Democrats left off in cutting waste in Medicaid & Medicare. However, with Newt Gingrinch's help, Republicans effectively shut down Washington DC for nearly two months (mid-Nov 1995-early Jan 1996). Why? Because Newt threw a hissy fit for having to sit at the back of AF1...whaaa!!! Oh, then in 1997 the Balanced Budget Act was passed stipulating that the budget had to be balanced by 2002. Clinton somehow managed to do it before he left office in 2000. Exactly how he did it...I'll leave that debate up to economist. Admittedly, that kind of stuff makes my head hurt and my eye cross.

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    When Pres. Clinton held office (1992-1996/1996-2000), he had a Democratic majority in both chambers of Congress from 1992-1995, exactly 3 yrs. From 1995 until 2007, Republicans held Congress. Now, granted, when Clinton left office he did hand his predecessor a balanced budget. To that, I will give credit where credit is due and make the bold statement that this might have come at the hands of having a Republican Congress, but look at how they did it...

    Republicans didn't necessarily cut meaningless spending or anything like that although they did pickup where Democrats left off in cutting waste in Medicaid & Medicare. However, with Newt Gingrinch's help, Republicans effectively shut down Washington DC for nearly two months (mid-Nov 1995-early Jan 1996). Why? Because Newt threw a hissy fit for having to sit at the back of AF1...whaaa!!! Oh, then in 1997 the Balanced Budget Act was passed stipulating that the budget had to be balanced by 2002. Clinton somehow managed to do it before he left office in 2000. Exactly how he did it...I'll leave that debate up to economist. Admittedly, that kind of stuff makes my head hurt and my eye cross.
    Can you explain to me how the debt grew every year of the Clinton Administration with a balanced budget?

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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm not just singling out the GOP when I say this, but why would anyone believe lofty campaign promises anymore? Haven't people had enough of being lied to by transparently power-grabbing parties and their relentless sycophants?

    I swear... the first party to actually be honest about what they can and cannot do will probably win the next Presidential election.
    Well that's absolutely true. Don't think for a second I believe these bums. I think what they say is a good first step. If they live up to it is a whole other story. The deal here is though, there's a political movement that will be very harsh on the existing GOP members if they don't start living up to their promises - it's called the Tea Party. The influence there could very well run these bums out if they're just playing the same Washington games. There's no such entity with the Democrats so, the GOP members are marked men for government unemployment. They're very motivated I think, to start living up to their pledge.
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    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    I like the Tea Party optimism.

    "We will be really harsh on Republicans who don't live up to their promises!"

    Peh! What are they going to do? Vote Democrat?

    The Tea Party is primarily composed of the Religious Right. They will be fine if the Republicans go on spending sprees as long as they don't let gays in the military or the federal government fund abortion. Sure, they won't be happy, and they will whine, but as long as some of the issues they care about are being served, they could actually care less about the rest.

    If the Tea Party base really cared about fiscal issues, then they would be running fiscal Democrats just as hard as they are running fiscal Republicans. Like always, it comes down to the social issues. Which in reality, are usually nonissues.
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