Page 11 of 28 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 275

Thread: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

  1. #101
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh my god. if small business owners are too ****ing lazy to read a bill that they THINK affects them negatively, maybe their businesses will fail because they are both stupid and lazy.
    such condescension is crass

    YouTube - John Conyers on Reading the Healthcare Bill

    conyers---what good is reading the bill if its 1000 pages and you don't have 2 lawyers to find out what it means?

    conyers, by the way, in 2006 admitted to illegally using staff members for campaign and personal business

    he promised never to do it again

    last year his wife, detroit city councilwoman, pleaded guilty to felonious taking of bribes

    Conyers's wife pleads guilty - Alex Isenstadt and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

    where's crew?

  2. #102
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    this republican pledge is a CAMPAIGN PIECE

    the suggestion that it might be subject to CBO SCORING is absurd

    as ECONIMICS it is a strong and certain indication of the DIRECTION the NEW house leadership will be heading

    as such, it's a radical and restorative redirection

    if you think that TODAY's electorate is NOT going to distinguish dramatically, direly, between the refreshing flavor of TEA philosophy and the socialistic SANCTIMONY of the washington-knows-best cabal, then you are as poor a JUDGE OF CHARACTER as the assemblage of aliens currently occupying the white house

    ON THE STUMP how are progressives to rebut this pledge?

    we CRAMMED obamacare? we passed the STIMULUS which we can no longer call by that name, today considered obscene?

    we bankrolled beaucoup bailouts and bonuses to bloated bigwigs and their bogus bagmen---to the tune of billions?

    we favor FURTHER underfunding of f & f?

    elect us so we can DEEM cap and trade, massive tax hikes on ENERGY---both production and consumption---in the midst of our deep, dark DEPRESSION?

    we'll ameliorate the mosque, move ksm to manhattan, prosecute the cia, BAN drilling in the gulf and SUE the PEOPLE of arizona?

    i think you're GOT

    checkmate

    seeya at the polls!
    Last edited by The Prof; 09-24-10 at 01:10 AM.

  3. #103
    Slayer of the DP Newsbot
    danarhea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    39,756

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post




    LINK

    While long, (8000 words), familiar and with obvious holes - this is a first step of "getting back to basics" by the GOP they're selling to voters. Critics on the Right however, are seeing it as watered down beltway business as usual.

    Redstate says:

    "At a time when America needs a bold, simple, fresh plan for putting America on the path to fiscal and constitutional sanity - we get instead an almost 8000 word term paper of inside-the-beltway regurgitation that lacks the one thing the American people seem to be dying to have… actual leadership. Harsh? Hardly."
    I give credit to the GOP for seeing the writing on the wall left by the Tea Party: get back to basics or else. The GOP isn't jumping into that pool head first... they're wading in and they should. A vast swing to the right with some "bold" plan espousing cutting Social Security, Medicare and the Dept. of Ed. is a sure fire loser. The missing parts like a pledge to cut earmarks, to pass term limits, or to cut corporate tax to the levels the rest of the world uses is missing. Republicans need to understand however, they can't wade in the pool forever. This is a nice first step but it needs some concrete follow up and not on November 3rd --- sooner. We don't need a bold "let's change Washington into Conservative Utopia" - that's what Obama campaigned with a "Progressive Utopia" and we all know that hope and change went down the toilet quick.

    Pledge to America - full text.
    Where in the pledge does it say "We will not ship our jobs to China"? This doesn't look like a Pledge to America. It looks more like a Pledge to Pfizer, Goldman Sachs, and Chevron-Texaco.
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

  4. #104
    Educator Jucon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    04-22-14 @ 07:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    787

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Liblady, your party has been in charge since January 2007 and what do we have to show for it? "Your" President took over in January 2009 and today, 2010, we have 4 million more unemployed than we had when he took office, 3 trillion added to the debt, and 1.6% economic growth. Unemployment this year by month is higher than it was by month in 2009 so he has made things worse. Is that the record you are proud of? Obviously that is the record you want to ignore so it is attack everyone else.
    I'm just going to throw out some graphs to find out what you (or anyone else) think about them.

    Keep in mind the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was passed in February of 2009.


    Jobs Lost/Gained Per Month:


    U.S. Unemployment Rate:






    Two comments from me before I hope you respond in kind...

    1. The unemployment rate was increasing dramatically as Obama came into office. I find it hard to believe it's possible to go from losing 700,000 jobs a month to losing none or even gaining jobs per month in a one, two or three month period without spending a lot of money. I have just as much reason as anyone else to be pissed off at the government, wall street, the banks and everyone else responsible for this mess -- I'm unemployed myself -- but it's hard for me to believe that what has been described as the worst recession since the Great Depression could be completely turned around in a one or two year period.

    2. It appears to me that the stimulus program halted the severely increasing unemployment rate. There was a huge jump in unemployment in just one year, then the AR&R act was passed and soon after... the unemployment rate leveled out and the number of jobs lost per month dropped.

    Thoughts?

    Obviously more needs to be done to help speed up the recovery of the economy and of course the spending needs to be brought under control, but though the unemployment didn't remain at 8%-ish as we were told it would and though the recovery is still slow... from what appears to me to be an economy turning around right around the time that the stimulus package was passed and an improvement in the economy since, at this point I have to assume the stimulus helped.

    I am of course always open for discussion on this. And please, let's keep this civil.


    P.S. I'm not sure what you meant by "your", but Obama's your president too. Just like Bush was my president even though I didn't vote for him and hated his guts. Just saying...
    Last edited by Jucon; 09-24-10 at 01:50 AM.
    "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, it to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." —John Adams

  5. #105
    Sage
    Barbbtx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    W'Ford TX
    Last Seen
    11-10-12 @ 08:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,467

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    You eventually run out of jobs to lose. The unemployment rate it close to 10%.
    It was less than that when we were losing more jobs per month.

    When we start gaining jobs in the private sector each month, then I'd say things are looking up.
    We need to lose jobs in the public sector to cut the deficit.
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
    1/27/12

  6. #106
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Where in the pledge does it say "We will not ship our jobs to China"? This doesn't look like a Pledge to America. It looks more like a Pledge to Pfizer, Goldman Sachs, and Chevron-Texaco.
    Where in the pledge does it identify Pfizer, Goldman Sachs and Chevron-Texaco?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  7. #107
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I'm just going to throw out some graphs to find out what you (or anyone else) think about them.

    Keep in mind the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was passed in February of 2009.


    Jobs Lost/Gained Per Month:


    U.S. Unemployment Rate:






    Two comments from me before I hope you respond in kind...

    1. The unemployment rate was increasing dramatically as Obama came into office. I find it hard to believe it's possible to go from losing 700,000 jobs a month to losing none or even gaining jobs per month in a one, two or three month period without spending a lot of money. I have just as much reason as anyone else to be pissed off at the government, wall street, the banks and everyone else responsible for this mess -- I'm unemployed myself -- but it's hard for me to believe that what has been described as the worst recession since the Great Depression could be completely turned around in a one or two year period.

    2. It appears to me that the stimulus program halted the severely increasing unemployment rate. There was a huge jump in unemployment in just one year, then the AR&R act was passed and soon after... the unemployment rate leveled out and the number of jobs lost per month dropped.

    Thoughts?

    Obviously more needs to be done to help speed up the recovery of the economy and of course the spending needs to be brought under control, but though the unemployment didn't remain at 8%-ish as we were told it would and though the recovery is still slow... from what appears to me to be an economy turning around right around the time that the stimulus package was passed and an improvement in the economy since, at this point I have to assume the stimulus helped.

    I am of course always open for discussion on this. And please, let's keep this civil.


    P.S. I'm not sure what you meant by "your", but Obama's your president too. Just like Bush was my president even though I didn't vote for him and hated his guts. Just saying...
    The bump and then falloff of jobs identifies the public sector jobs created by using tax money to create those jobs - ie. stimulus. You can't throw 800 billion dollars into the economy and not see it happen. But the falloff in your bar graph identifies it all... temporary jobs used for political gains and speeches... then the decline again. Talk to me when Obama has taken the 4 million jobs lost back to zero. Then we can have a meaningful discussion about job creation. Until then, he's still digging in the same hole he's been in since the start.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  8. #108
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,293

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So what you're saying is that the GOP is promising to use Democrat spending and tax practices? I'm sure that will go over well. Would you also agree that 2008 taxes and 2008 spending would not be particularly "fiscally responsible," especially when revenues are down due to the recession?

    Besides, Bush still had the veto pen and the Democrats did not have a filibuster-proof majority. If the GOP had really wanted to take a stand on spending they could have. I don't see why anyone would take this Contract Pledge With To America seriously.
    The 2010 elections are going to focus on the results of this Congress and Barack Obama. Haven't seen any Obama supporter even talking about the Obama results and that speaks volumes. Please name for me one economic prediction made by Obama or his Administration that has been accurate?

    It has been stated that Obama inherited quite a mess from Bush yet no one actually reviews the numbers and simply states talking points. Since Obama took office 4 million more Americans are unemployed and every month this year unemployment has risen vs. last year thus the claim that jobs have been created for 8 months in a row means nothing since more jobs were lost than created and that is the bottom line.

  9. #109
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The bump and then falloff of jobs identifies the public sector jobs created by using tax money to create those jobs - ie. stimulus. You can't throw 800 billion dollars into the economy and not see it happen. But the falloff in your bar graph identifies it all... temporary jobs used for political gains and speeches... then the decline again. Talk to me when Obama has taken the 4 million jobs lost back to zero. Then we can have a meaningful discussion about job creation. Until then, he's still digging in the same hole he's been in since the start.
    Or, it was a tempory solution, as stumulus are, and that long term solutions take more time. We can discuss this honestly, or not. The choice is ours, but no president controls the economy. At best, he and congress can help lessen the pain, but the economy is separate and not under the control of government.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  10. #110
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,293

    Re: GOP 'Pledge' makes closing argument to voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or, it was a tempory solution, as stumulus are, and that long term solutions take more time. We can discuss this honestly, or not. The choice is ours, but no president controls the economy. At best, he and congress can help lessen the pain, but the economy is separate and not under the control of government.
    Yet Obama blames Bush, Obama supporters blame Bush and continue to blame Bush for the "inherited" Problems two years after Bush left office. The results of the Stimulus and the first two years of the Obama Administration will be the issues judged on Nov. 2, 2010. The most radical leftwing President in U.S. History has made things worse in his first two years of office and yet the Obama supporters continue to blame Bush. Congress and the President make economic policy that affects the country and it is the Obama economic policies that have led to the results we have today.

    Still waiting for you to name for me one Obama economic policy that has made things better? The GOP Pledge is a step in the right direction.

Page 11 of 28 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •