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    Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan war

    President Obama urgently looked for a way out of the war in Afghanistan last year, repeatedly pressing his top military advisers for an exit plan that they never gave him, according to secret meeting notes and documents cited in a new book by journalist Bob Woodward.

    Frustrated with his military commanders for consistently offering only options that required significantly more troops, Obama finally crafted his own strategy, dictating a classified six-page "terms sheet" that sought to limit U.S. involvement, Woodward reports in "Obama's Wars," to be released on Monday.

    According to Woodward's meeting-by-meeting, memo-by-memo account of the 2009 Afghan strategy review, the president avoided talk of victory as he described his objectives.

    "This needs to be a plan about how we're going to hand it off and get out of Afghanistan.
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    Woodward's book portrays Obama and the White House as barraged by warnings about the threat of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and confronted with the difficulty in preventing them. During an interview with Woodward in July, the president said, "We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . . we absorbed it and we are stronger."

    Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan war

    This weak stick President is not concerned with winning anything concerned with the War's we are in, only how can we cut and run. Also, callously that further attacks on this country and the loss of civilians in this country are acceptable to him.


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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    It's very difficult to attack those you sympathize with.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This weak stick President is not concerned with winning anything concerned with the War's we are in, only how can we cut and run. Also, callously that further attacks on this country and the loss of civilians in this country are acceptable to him.
    How exactly do you envision a victory playing out? Afghanistan simply isn't going to become a stable, liberal democracy anytime soon, REGARDLESS of what we do. The country is just too underdeveloped and too fragmented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's very difficult to attack those you sympathize with.

    I hear ya....

    Consider this:

    “We are fighting to destroy the enemy. We are dealing with evil at its roots and its roots are America.”

    So said the Pakistani Sheikh Muburak Gilani, leader of the jihad terrorist group Jamaat ul-Fuqra. And the way that he and his organization are “dealing with evil at its roots” is to set up jihad terror training camps all over the United States -- often under the noses of government and law enforcement officials who are either indifferent or too hamstrung by political correctness to do anything about it.

    Sheikh Gilani is no shrinking violet, and Jamaat ul-Fuqra is a force to be reckoned with both in the United States and elsewhere. Journalist Daniel Pearl was on his way to interview Gilani when he was kidnapped and beheaded in 2002. The following year, a member of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Iyman Faris, pled guilty to plotting to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. In 2005, the Department of Homeland Security included the group among “predicted possible sponsors of attacks” on American soil. And in 2006, the Department of Justice reported that Jamaat ul-Fuqra “has more than 35 suspected communes and more than 3,000 members spread across the United States, all in support of one goal: the purification of Islam through violence.” That means, of course, violence against unbelievers.


    Yet despite the fact that Justice and the DHS are obviously aware of what is going on, Jamaat ul-Fuqra continues to operate, relatively unhindered, in the United States.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    How exactly do you envision a victory playing out? Afghanistan simply isn't going to become a stable, liberal democracy anytime soon, REGARDLESS of what we do. The country is just too underdeveloped and too fragmented.

    Hmmm....That doesn't sound defeatist at all, nooooooo. Wake up man, this is a war. We didn't start it, but what do ya say we win it?


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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm....That doesn't sound defeatist at all, nooooooo. Wake up man, this is a war. We didn't start it, but what do ya say we win it?
    If you can't even imagine what a victory would look like, how on earth do you expect to win it? How will we know when we've won?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you can't even imagine what a victory would look like, how on earth do you expect to win it? How will we know when we've won?
    Sadly, you won't, because it'll take generations to win it.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Bob Woodward is one of the best out there. I am looking forward to his book.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you can't even imagine what a victory would look like, how on earth do you expect to win it? How will we know when we've won?
    Well, the first thing toward a victory I would think would actually being able to say that is what we want. Obama, and most libs can't do that.


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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, the first thing toward a victory I would think would actually being able to say that is what we want. Obama, and most libs can't do that.
    Apparently neither can you, since you can't define what victory would look like. Do you envision Afghanistan becoming a free, stable, prosperous democracy modeled on American values and free of terrorists? That's not going to happen. Or did you have some lesser vision of victory in mind? If so, what is it?

    No matter how many times you shriek "ZOMG WE NEED TO WIN LOL," unless you can clearly explain what victory looks like and how our military presence in Afghanistan will help us achieve that goal, you aren't really saying anything substantive.
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