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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any dumbass can sound the retreat.
    Weird, in US foreign policy it seems to be "any dumbass can keep killing and dying at the screams of the opiated nationalist masses." I dont know thats how it seems to me. As far as Im concerned, unless you're committing a war and occupation that directly violates the liberal ideals that founded the country we live in, you cant win in places like vietnam or afghanistan. As in, cannot be conquered or tamed sort of ordeal. The smart thing for this planet was to have let the soviets keep it and them put an iron fist up the jihadist rear, the US cant do that and cant get away with the violations of human rights it would take to tame the country.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any dumbass can sound the retreat.
    Any dumbass can send others to fight unnesscary wars and call everyone who stand up against such incompetence tratiors or cut and runners. And plenty of dumbasses have done just that.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Weird, in US foreign policy it seems to be "any dumbass can keep killing and dying at the screams of the opiated nationalist masses." I dont know thats how it seems to me. As far as Im concerned, unless you're committing a war and occupation that directly violates the liberal ideals that founded the country we live in, you cant win in places like vietnam or afghanistan. As in, cannot be conquered or tamed sort of ordeal. The smart thing for this planet was to have let the soviets keep it and them put an iron fist up the jihadist rear, the US cant do that and cant get away with the violations of human rights it would take to tame the country.
    No, allowing the Soviets to stay in Afghanistan wouldn't have been a good idea. Their ultimate destination was the Persian Gulf. It would have been a bad scene, if the Soviets controlled more than half of the world's oil reserves.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

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    Any dumbass can send others to fight unnesscary wars and call everyone who stand up against such incompetence tratiors or cut and runners. And plenty of dumbasses have done just that.
    Anyone who would knowingly undermine American forces that are fighting on any given battlefield, is a traitor.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, allowing the Soviets to stay in Afghanistan wouldn't have been a good idea. Their ultimate destination was the Persian Gulf. It would have been a bad scene, if the Soviets controlled more than half of the world's oil reserves.
    never saw proof that the persian gulf was the ultimate ussr objective, and that it decided to reach that goal thru the quagmire which is afghanistan
    how about offering a cite which would support your assertion this was actually the soviet's strategy
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    please, russia has been trying to gain access to the sea since ivan grozny

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone who would knowingly undermine American forces that are fighting on any given battlefield, is a traitor.
    absolutely, and our president has committed the blood pumping hearts of our heroes over there even tho HIS is not in it

    or so says BOB WOODWARD

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    never saw proof that the persian gulf was the ultimate ussr objective, and that it decided to reach that goal thru the quagmire which is afghanistan
    how about offering a cite which would support your assertion this was actually the soviet's strategy
    "The issue is not what might have been Brezhnev's subjective motives in going into Afghanistan but the subjective consequences of a Soviet military presence so much closer to the Persian Gulf" --Zbigniew Brzezinski. Even Carter's people saw the potential for a Soviet invasion/incroachment on ther Persian Gulf.

    In 1989, after the Soviets got their asses handed to them, Gorbachev decided on a new strategy to gain infuence in the Persian Gulf, by exploiting Middle-Eastern hatred of the West.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    once more, just when are we beginning that conditions based, transitional withdrawal deadline, leaving behind a stable afghanistan, barry?

    yesterday's nyt:

    "widespread fraud seen in latest afghan elections:" http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=ht...26M_hQ26.xh)j@

    are you sure you know what you're doing?
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    let's examine the first comment to which i took exception:
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, allowing the Soviets to stay in Afghanistan wouldn't have been a good idea. Their ultimate destination was the Persian Gulf. It would have been a bad scene, if the Soviets controlled more than half of the world's oil reserves.
    and in response you provide ar article which tells us that after its military defeat in afghanistan, the soviets attempted to establish diplomatic alliances in the middle east - and especially with an anti-American iran
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "The issue is not what might have been Brezhnev's subjective motives in going into Afghanistan but the subjective consequences of a Soviet military presence so much closer to the Persian Gulf" --Zbigniew Brzezinski. Even Carter's people saw the potential for a Soviet invasion/incroachment on ther Persian Gulf.

    In 1989, after the Soviets got their asses handed to them, Gorbachev decided on a new strategy to gain infuence in the Persian Gulf, by exploiting Middle-Eastern hatred of the West.

    Responding to the Soviet Challenge in the Persian Gulf | The Heritage Foundation
    so, after the ussr had its ass handed to them - a historical fact which needs to be recognized by our present administration - the soviets attempted an oil diplomacy. emphasis on the diplomacy ... yet, you speak in terms of soviet control of ME oil reserves and soviet invasion/encroachment of the persian gulf
    so give us a cite showing that such invasion of the persian gulf was in fact part of the soviet strategy
    i call bull****, but prove me wrong
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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