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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yet another person who learned nothing from the malaise that was vietnam
    What we all should have learned from Vietnam is that trying to win a war while at the same time handicapping your own military will only end in disaster. If we had fought that war the same as we did WWII the end would have been completely different. Politicians micromanaging the military is not a very good idea. AS have been proven more than once.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Significant Developments in Terror Threats Since 9/11, Officials Say - ABC News

    muller, napolitano and leiter testified today before jiltin joe lieberman's homeland security in the senate

    they all said the same thing, leiter most powerfully:

    "During the past year our nation has dealt with the most significant developments in the terrorist threat to the Homeland since 9/11," Leiter told the committee. "The attack threats are now more complex, and the diverse array of threats tests our ability to respond, and makes it difficult to predict where the next attack may come."
    juxtapose the "security team's" stance with its boss':

    Newsvine - Obama: "We Can Absorb A Terrorist Attack"

    not only is oblivious, obtuse, obnoxious obama's head wrong, his heart is too

    how do YOU feel about OBAMA'S WAR?

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Obama should have thrown the book at the brass for being insubordinate. Being the president means being the commander in chief.
    Who, exactly, was being insubordinate? Other than maybe McChrystal, that is.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    What we all should have learned from Vietnam is that trying to win a war while at the same time handicapping your own military will only end in disaster. If we had fought that war the same as we did WWII the end would have been completely different. Politicians micromanaging the military is not a very good idea. AS have been proven more than once.
    Only in WWII we weren't dealing with people living in the 6th century.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yet another person who learned nothing from the malaise that was vietnam
    The Vietnam War, with its limited objectives, was won several times. It was given away from lack of understanding and the will to power.

    We left in 73 - Vietnam fell in 75. The South fought good until the libs yanked the rug out from under them. Look for Foreign Assistance Act of 1974.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only in WWII we weren't dealing with people living in the 6th century.
    Not only is that debatable, but, what's that got to do with anything?
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not only is that debatable, but, what's that got to do with anything?
    Welcome to Afghanistan 101.

    In this class you will learn why a country who is listed with other Western success stories like Somalia and Sudan is nothing like the countries we dealt with during WWII. We start off by exploring the basic differences between countries during WWII and Afghanistan:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/af.html

    20th highest birth rate
    Only 24% of the population is urbanized.
    7th highest death rate in the world.
    2nd highest mortality rate in the world. The only other country with a higher one? Angola.
    A life expectancy of 44 years.
    Ridiculous high degree of contacting infectious deceases not only from the environment
    A literacy rate of 28% of the population.

    Do you not yet understand why Afghanistan is NOTHING like European countries during WWII? We are dealing with a population who is for all purposes, ignorant and stuck behind the rest of the world. Do you have anything to debate the facts? In Europe we were dealing with a population who at the very least could read. In Afghanistan we have a population who is mounting an insurgency based on a book the majority of them have never read. Do you know the last time a "Christian country" did that? 1300s. So yes. Afghanistan is stuck in the 6th century. They haven't advanced past a time where Muslim missionaries would ride down mountains and slaughter entire villages. That is what I am getting at. That the sociological make-up of a population determines how successful a campaign will be. In the last 50 years the U.S. has conducted little experiments in poor countries and the fact is that the poorer the country the less likely the situation gets better for us: Guatemala, Vietnam Sudan, Somalia, Iraq etc.
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    Do you not yet understand why Afghanistan is NOTHING like European countries during WWII? We are dealing with a population who is for all purposes, ignorant and stuck behind the rest of the world.
    My guess is that would have to do with a history of dictatorship, foreign occupation and exploitation. From the Sikh's to the British to the Shahs to the Soviets and now the US ("NATO"). I don't think it has much to do with a population that is "ignorant". You can't change culture over night unless you are willing to enact genocidal policies or ethnic cleansing, which nobody has been willing/able to do.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    My guess is that would have to do with a history of dictatorship, foreign occupation and exploitation. From the Sikh's to the British to the Shahs to the Soviets and now the US ("NATO"). I don't think it has much to do with a population that is "ignorant". You can't change culture over night unless you are willing to enact genocidal policies or ethnic cleansing, which nobody has been willing/able to do.
    I definitely think education is a main factor in why Afghanistan simply won't move forward. If you didn't have the majority of the population who raises goats for a living I think things would be much much different.
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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Obama could learn a thing or two by reading up on WW-II and talking to some real mene that are still around that fought in it and he would have his strategy over night.

    It has been my opinion that we need to what we should have done in Vietnam and Korea before that.

    The answer is to tell the Military they are to take every Soldier they have who is trained over there and kiss as and get this over with and remove the Karzai influenced rules of engagement, and use what ever weapons you need, and go door to door and town to village until your done.

    If they feel the opium poppies are behind the enemy funding burn them down because chemicals would take too long to wear off.

    The Congress, Senate, and Bush got the Military in this now they need to get the hell out of the way and let them win and quit screwing around wondering, oh dear what do I do?

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