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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Totally disingenuous. You Joe, you are a liberal, your moniker denotes it, your words for the past 5 + years shout it, and you are a liberal plain and simple.
    This is what I mean, leaning liberal doesn't mean by any reasonable stretech of the imagination that I speak for all how lean liberal or that we are all one voice, agreeing on all things, speaking in unison as one. because you don't get this, you always completely miss the point.


    You mean like calling your opponents "Idiots" because they don't agree with you?
    Another thing you get wrong. Not my oppenents or those who disagree with me, but actual idiots. If you believe dissent equals treason, you're an idiot. If you buy into those type of idiotic arguments that those calling democrats tratiors have used, you're an idiot. You can disagree without being an idiot, but you can't use idiot reasoning and not be an idiot.

    So again you got it wrong.

    However, that is not to say that some of what opponents of the wars have done isn't traitorous.
    I have not seen anyone give an actual example of anything actuallt treasonous. I no of no one actually charged with treasoon, which suggests those making the claim get it wrong. Most talked about dissent and critcism of the president as being treasonouos.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

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    ANSWER THE QUESTION!


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    J, it is disingenuous to ask a question that hs nothing to do with what we're talking about. I don't even know if anyone actually did this, and It was not part of our discussiona t all. As I have no idea what game you're trying to paly, I have to ask for more detail.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, it is disingenuous to ask a question that hs nothing to do with what we're talking about. I don't even know if anyone actually did this, and It was not part of our discussiona t all. As I have no idea what game you're trying to paly, I have to ask for more detail.
    It does have to do with our discussion, but as usual you will obfuscate. You just said:

    I have not seen anyone give an actual example of anything actuallt treasonous.
    *sigh* so since you won't play along I'll highlight whom I am talking about here...

    By Bill Wilson, KIN Senior Analyst

    WASH—Apr 5—KIN-- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit with Bashar Assad drew praise from various sectors of the world as a good first step toward peace in the Middle East, but her act of insolent treason brought anarchy to American foreign policy. Leaders of the terrorist groups Islamic Jihad and the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade, as reported by WorldNetDaily, praised Pelosi.

    These two organizations have carried out every recent terrorist attack in Israel and are based in Syria. And the Syrian Foreign Minister said that Pelosi’s visit took place because Americans and Europeans had realized their policy of isolating Syria has failed. Pelosi also found praise from former President Jimmy Carter, who recently wrote a book in support of the Palestinian terrorists.

    Strange how praise for Pelosi’s visit with one of the world’s foremost sponsors of terrorism is coming from the terrorists themselves and a former U.S. President whose bungling of foreign policy thirty years ago accelerated the development of modern terrorism.

    One has to ask: do these people, Pelosi and the likes of Carter, actually believe they are doing right by legitimizing terrorists and the policies of governments who kill Christians and Jews, who oppress women, who sell children into slavery and prostitution, who sponsor the death of the innocent around the world? Or are they just willing dupes? Or has the desire for fame and power overridden their good sense about America’s national defense?

    Here is an example of just how far off track Pelosi is: The Washington Post reports that Pelosi announced she delivered a message to Assad from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. She also announced that Assad was ready to "resume the peace process." The problem: Olmert, according to his office, never entrusted any such message to Pelosi. Olmert’s office told Pelosi that Assad often has said he wanted peace, but there has been no change in his country’s peace policy. The Post concluded, “In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda.”

    Fact is, the Constitution has granted foreign policy power to the chief executive of the nation-the President—for a reason. And the problem is that there are so many 1960’s radical anarchist communist-influenced politicians in Congressional leadership that they believe their personal missions far outweigh the laws of the land. Pelosi not only committed an act of treason by going against American policy toward an enemy during a time of war, she also misrepresented the position of another country to a terrorist-sponsoring regime. Proverbs 30:12 says, “There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.”

    Results of Treason Pelosi Brings Anarchy To U.S. Foreign Policy
    Pelosi not only did this in total defiance of those in the government telling her not to, she then sent her little minions Slaughter, and Lantos to talk with the PKK in hopes of disrupting supply lines out of Turkey bound for American troops.

    Then came back home to introduce a resolution condemning Turkey for a Genocide over a hundred years old so that she knew would piss off the Turks.

    Did that Pelosi/Syria meeting amount to treason? And what of Carter?


    Pelosi is a traitor scum, and should be in prison right now awaiting execution.


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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It does have to do with our discussion, but as usual you will obfuscate. You just said:
    You'll have to explain how as I don't see it.


    *sigh* so since you won't play along I'll highlight whom I am talking about here...

    Oh, I see, you're trying to throw in the partisan misreading of events to fit the tortured narrative of the idiot class. I gottcha now. But no, it had little to do with what we're talking about. Try reading the different opinions and note she was not charged with treason. If she had truely committed treason, she would have been charged. It may not have been a bright move, or even a proper move, but it was not teason. Nor should you accept your mindreading silly reasoning that idiot class attach to her motivations.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You'll have to explain how as I don't see it.





    Oh, I see, you're trying to throw in the partisan misreading of events to fit the tortured narrative of the idiot class. I gottcha now. But no, it had little to do with what we're talking about. Try reading the different opinions and note she was not charged with treason. If she had truely committed treason, she would have been charged. It may not have been a bright move, or even a proper move, but it was not teason. Nor should you accept your mindreading silly reasoning that idiot class attach to her motivations.

    Ok Genius, explain to me how working with a militant group to cut supplies to your own troops engaged in battle is not treason?


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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok Genius, explain to me how working with a militant group to cut supplies to your own troops engaged in battle is not treason?


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    J, that's just your silly interpretation of what she was doing. If she was actually do that, she would have been charged with treason. That's what I mean about being willing to accept any silliness tossed at you about democrats.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, that's just your silly interpretation of what she was doing. If she was actually do that, she would have been charged with treason. That's what I mean about being willing to accept any silliness tossed at you about democrats.
    Just like Jane Fonda and Joan Baez were charged with treason. Right?

    Actually, what Pelosi did, was violate the Logan Act.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just like Jane Fonda and Joan Baez were charged with treason. Right?

    Actually, what Pelosi did, was violate the Logan Act.
    No, they weren't. And they didn't do what j claims either. They were just being foolish stars and not telling state secrets or troop movements.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, what Pelosi did, was violate the Logan Act.
    Why Pelosi's Trip Did Not Violate Federal Law

    "The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country."

    The circumstances of Speaker Pelosi's trip to Syria were similar. The Bush administration was well aware of the "nature and purpose" of the proposed trip, and while President Bush discouraged it and is now harshly criticizing it, the executive branch took no action to prevent Pelosi from leaving the country. Indeed, the White House has not mentioned the Logan Act in relationship to Pelosi's trip.

    Some other Americans accused of, but never prosecuted for violating the Logan Act include Ross Perot for his efforts to locate U.S. POWs in Southeast Asia and former Speaker of the House Jim Wright for his relations with the Sandinista government. In 1984, Reverend Jessie Jackson's trips to Syria, Cuba and Nicaragua drew accusations of Logan Act violations from President Reagan. And who can forget Jane Fonda's many controversial trips to Southeast Asia in protest of the Vietnam War? Yet, as far as the Congressional Research Service has been able to determine, no American has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act.

    Why Pelosi's Trip Did Not Violate Federal Law

    In medicine we say a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Too many on your side are easily swayed by venomous pndents because they know just enough to get it completely wrong. You may well disagree with her actions, and with good reason, but that doesn't mean she broke any law.

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    Re: Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan w

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they weren't. And they didn't do what j claims either. They were just being foolish stars and not telling state secrets or troop movements.
    They are ****ing traitors, straight up.

    Article 3, section 3, of The Constitution of The United States defines treason as:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
    Fonda and Baez are guilty as hell, of treason and should receive the death penalty for their crimes, per The Constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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