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    Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Industry experts: Less 'made in USA' puts security at risk - CNN.com

    No **** Dick Tracy! I could have told you this 20 years ago! My how out of touch our legislators are! At least it's a committee finding and not some million dollar study that states the obvious.
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Industry experts: Less 'made in USA' puts security at risk - CNN.com

    No **** Dick Tracy! I could have told you this 20 years ago! My how out of touch our legislators are! At least it's a committee finding and not some million dollar study that states the obvious.
    So maybe saving GM from liquidation was not really a bad idea after all?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Industry experts: Less 'made in USA' puts security at risk - CNN.com

    No **** Dick Tracy! I could have told you this 20 years ago! My how out of touch our legislators are! At least it's a committee finding and not some million dollar study that states the obvious.

    Oh what a quandary the libs have....We need more manufacturing here within our own shores, but what self respecting businessman or group would dare to invest in manufacturing when the government in power now sees them as the evil class, and wants to take all they make to redistribute it?


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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    So maybe saving GM from liquidation was not really a bad idea after all?
    So you think that if GM went into bankruptcy the factories would have gone empty. Pretty simplicitc and not true. When airlines go bankrupt do they start scrapping the planes. Does the company even stop flying, no. The company goes under court protection, works something out with debtholders and re-emergers.

    The unions would have lost under this scenario but the company would have continued on.

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Industry experts: Less 'made in USA' puts security at risk - CNN.com

    No **** Dick Tracy! I could have told you this 20 years ago! My how out of touch our legislators are! At least it's a committee finding and not some million dollar study that states the obvious.
    This is what happens when those in office toss the salad of business with no loyalties. This is why free trade is a bad deal.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why free trade is a bad deal.
    Free trade isn't the problem per se. Worsening relative U.S. competitiveness in select industries is. Even if there were robust trade barriers, less competitive U.S. industries would be producing inferior products and that situation, too, would pose a national security risk. In the meantime, U.S. consumer welfare would also be harmed from lack of access to better value.

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Free trade isn't the problem per se.
    If US companies can't stay in business due to the outsourced companies then it is a problem.


    Worsening relative U.S. competitiveness in select industries is. Even if there were robust trade barriers, less competitive U.S. industries would be producing inferior products and that situation, too, would pose a national security risk. In the meantime,
    There are always industries who make better.Thats why some products are premium brands, some are name brand and some are just generic.

    U.S. consumer welfare would also be harmed from lack of access to better value.
    Poor people in this country will do what poor people always did in the country. Which is wait until it goes on sale, put it on lay away, rent to own, order from fingerhut catalog(similar to rent to own), buy generic, buy at a second hand store, go to thrift stores and flea markets or buy stuff at yard sales. I grew up poor, so I witnessed my mother doing these things, heck I even still do some of these things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Using the auto industry as an example, people are still buying cars. People are still manufacturing cars. However the climate has been made unfavorable to manufacture those cars in the US. That NEEDS to change. That change has to come through a cooperative effort of corporate management and labor unions. Michigan is a great example of how their refussal to cooperate have left both the leaders of the auto industry and the leaders of the labor unions sitting on and presiding over a kingdom of ****.

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If US companies can't stay in business due to the outsourced companies then it is a problem.
    The companies need to become better at what they do. Whether it is a low-cost, high differentiation, focused, or hybrid strategy, they need to offer some value that is significant, important to consumers, and difficult for competitors to replicate. If they seek to produce relatively standardized products, price becomes a leading driver of success within the industry. They they have little choice to lower their costs so as to be able to compete on the basis of price. They shouldn't seek protections that compel U.S. consumers to pay artificially high prices when lower-priced alternatives would otherwise be available. The companies need to improve and innovate. While that is a tough proposition, it is a necessary one. If they can't cut the muster, that is not the fault of international rivals. It is their own fault.

    There are always industries who make better.Thats why some products are premium brands, some are name brand and some are just generic.
    Of course. U.S. consumers (business, individuals, and government) should have access to the products/services they believe offer the best value regardless of where they are made. If U.S. companies wish to gain a larger slice of the market, they need to provide the value those consumers desire.

    Poor people in this country will do what poor people always did in the country. Which is wait until it goes on sale, put it on lay away, rent to own, order from fingerhut catalog(similar to rent to own), buy generic, buy at a second hand store, go to thrift stores and flea markets or buy stuff at yard sales. I grew up poor, so I witnessed my mother doing these things, heck I even still do some of these things.
    Asking lower-income people to wait for a sale strictly because legislation deprives that market segment of access to lower-priced goods is an entirely different matter. That's an artificial and fully avoidable situation.

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner Grilled by Senate Banking Committee - The Note

    "Although there may be some modest disagreement about what to do, I'm increasingly coming to the view that the only person in this room who believes China is not manipulating its currency is you,” Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said.

    "At a time when the U.S. economy is trying to pick itself up off the ground, China's currency manipulation is like a boot to the throat of our recovery. This administration refuses to try and take that boot off our neck," Schumer said. “China's overt and continuous manipulation of its currency to gain trade advantage over its trading partners is about as close to a fact, an economic policy, as you can get.”
    hmm, first orszag (who, the instant he escaped, published an op ed for the grey lady calling for extension of bush tax cuts to all americans), then ms romer, followed by yesterday's announcement of the departure of that mean misogynist, lawrence summers

    who's next?

    party on, polysyllabically

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