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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    A couple of things.

    1. As OC already pointed out, our manufacturing isn't really in decline. Other countries are just improving their own manufacturing sectors.

    2. As Harry said, the economic interdependence from increased trade makes a large war with another large country, like China, highly unlikely in our shrinking world. Besides going to war with China in the near future is also like the bank you got a home mortgage from trying to burn down your house.

    3. The US already has a massive military-industrial complex. We spend more on our military than almost the rest of the world combined. No other country can provide both the quality and quantity of our military's toys. If another country did begin a massive buildup, I fail to see why our complex couldn't keep up again, just like in the Cold War.

    4. Even if we do go to WWIII and it doesn't go nuclear within the first few weeks anyway, how is normal manufacturing going to help? Technology has gotten a lot more complex since 1945. It's not like you can go from manufacturing Fords to Abrams as easily as from Buicks to Shermans. I don't see how helpful more non-military manufacturing would even be.
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    US manufacturing is on the decline?

    Since when?

    Foreign Trade: Data - Historical Series

    This meeting is nothing more then a ploy for corporate welfare. US exports and manufacturing have been rising for years. We are still the biggest manufacturer in the world.
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    Consider the worst-case scenario where the U.S. imports all of its steel from foreign countries, and there is a large probability that there will be a major war in one year, and that if this happens every single one of our suppliers will cut off shipment of steel. What will be the market's response? Will steel continue to sell at its usual price, and will people in the steel industry focus merely on tomorrow's stock prices?

    Of course not. If the supply of steel should be completely cut off, the market price of steel would skyrocket (assuming the government does not take steps to prevent "gouging" and "profiteering"). Because of this possibility, speculators today will buy and stockpile huge quantities of steel at the current low prices. (After all, even if the war never comes, they can simply resell the steel at its original price, losing only the costs of storage. Steel is not perishable like milk or tomatoes.)

    In addition, if the war is expected to drag on for many years, so that at that point a domestic steel industry would be necessary, then it will be presently profitable for entrepreneurs to refit their factories so that a switch to steel production can be effected relatively quickly should war break out. And if, because of this costly refitting, the firms in question can cover their variable costs (though not their total costs) through production of steel, then the possibility of war (and exorbitant steel prices) will spur a domestic steel industry operating at a short-run loss in the hope of making up for its sunk costs once war breaks out.

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Industry experts: Less 'made in USA' puts security at risk - CNN.com

    No **** Dick Tracy! I could have told you this 20 years ago! My how out of touch our legislators are! At least it's a committee finding and not some million dollar study that states the obvious.
    An absolutely great reason for the government to stop over-regulating and over-taxing private sector industries.
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    i don't know about cnn, but when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the secretary of state and the assistant to (temporary) house speaker nancy pelosi speak about "national security," it's not really WAR they're referencing

    our national security these days is under severe strain from several sources less blatantly bellicose, sorry to say
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i don't know about cnn, but when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the secretary of state and the assistant to (temporary) house speaker nancy pelosi speak about "national security," it's not really WAR they're referencing

    our national security these days is under severe strain from several sources less blatantly bellicose, sorry to say
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    People need to get it through their heads that fewer jobs =/= less manufacturing. By that measure, if we replace 50 men digging with tiny cups with a 1 man running a backhoe, less material is being excavated.
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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    The real threat to national security is that we can't produce any military hardware without gold-plating it to beyond absurd costs. If we got into another cold war style arms race, I worry that this time we might be the ones who bankrupt ourselves by overspending. The military industrial complex has become some unholy combination of congressional pork and corporate profiteering.

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    Re: Declining manufacturing in U.S. linked to Natiional Security

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Industry experts: Less 'made in USA' puts security at risk - CNN.com

    No **** Dick Tracy! I could have told you this 20 years ago! My how out of touch our legislators are! At least it's a committee finding and not some million dollar study that states the obvious.
    I guess that means the U.S. better start attacking another country. You know, security is paramount and all.

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