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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I sure hope the Republicans are ready to need a 60-vote majority to do anything the next time they think they've got the upper hand.
    Its this attitude that hurts our country, imo. What both parties should learn from is to stop putting riders onto spending bills. Quit looking at what is good for the party and start looking at what is best for the country. Yes, I know that is the way its been done for years, but its time to stop this pratice. Congress should address the Don't Ask and the Dream act on its own merits. If it is such a good deal, then whoever should have no problem passing the Bill. IMO, it is underhanded to attach these type riders to an spending bill. I don't care which party did it, it needs to stop.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    I would tend to agree.

    The fact is, both major parties suffer from the same neurosis -- republican (not to be confused with Republican) principles and the will of the people are fine things, provided that in practice they agree with their own agenda.

    It's not even a question of ending riders on spending bills, it's more a matter of stopping the constant "gotcha" bull****.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    movement of this measure in a lame duck is almost unimaginable

    the party has its priorities, and dadt aint it

    if (a big word) leadership is to attempt to advance anything in december, it will be an issue closer to its heart, such as the bush cuts or energy

    dadt is pretty far down obama/pelosi's list

    leadership on dadt, just like with health care reform, has SHOT its WAD

    it's a non starter in the next congress

    sorry

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I would tend to agree.

    The fact is, both major parties suffer from the same neurosis -- republican (not to be confused with Republican) principles and the will of the people are fine things, provided that in practice they agree with their own agenda.

    It's not even a question of ending riders on spending bills, it's more a matter of stopping the constant "gotcha" bull****.
    Yeah, you get something like an appropriation for Kitten Rescue tacked on a financial reform by Senator Jerkoff. Senator BillyBob doesn't like the financial reform, so he votes against the bill.

    Senator Billybob voted to kill kittens. Who will he kill next? Your grandmother, maybe.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I sure hope the Republicans are ready to need a 60-vote majority to do anything the next time they think they've got the upper hand.
    Not necessarily, the Democratic party is far more fractured than the Republican Party. The Dems are lead by the nose by the liberal wing of their faction, a identifier shared by merely 21% of the country. You wonder why the country is up in arms about the direction we're heading, it's because Obama and this Liberal Congress are cramming the agenda of a mere 20% of the population down our throats, through bribes for votes, straight party line votes, backroom deals that stink to high heaven. Seems Harry Reid just voted against repealing don't ask don't tell, just so he can bring it up in a lame duck session when he knows the Democrats will be on the way out, and the political costs of the votes won't be as high. These kind of typical Washington games, being played to the extreme, is not the 'change' I suspect many of Obama's voters were expecting.

    Bottom line it's much easier for Republican's to pick off a Southern/Midwest Dem or two, than a liberal getting a Conservative/libertarian Republican for votes on the extreme liberal policies we've witnessed.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Are you honestly saying that, in the fact of the utter havoc being wrought on the Republicans by the Tea Party movement? Really?



    That said, once the Republicans get their majority, even without the current chaos they will have to contend with a lot of infighting. It's a lot easier to unify as a minority to stop a majority you're diametrically opposed to than it is to maintain unity once you've got the power.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    snippet just off the AP wire today:
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    One in five sexually active gay and bisexual men has the AIDS virus, and nearly half of those don't know they are infected, a federal study of 21 U.S. cities shows.
    Experts said the findings are similar to earlier research, but the study released Thursday is the largest to look at gay and bisexual U.S. men at high risk for HIV. More than 8,000 men were tested and interviewed, and 44 percent of those who had the virus didn't know they had it.
    Overall, less than half of 1 percent of Americans have the AIDS virus, according to a calculation by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a research and policy organization in Washington, D.C.
    But gay and bisexual men continue to be infected at much higher rates, said Jennifer Kates, Kaiser's director of global health and HIV policy.
    "We don't have a generalized epidemic in the United States. We have a concentrated epidemic among certain populations," she said.
    That's why a new national AIDS strategy, unveiled by the White House in July, is emphasizing more of a government focus on men who have sex with men and others at the highest risk of getting infected, Kates said.
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    Obviously alot of USA military folks are celebrating today that they won't have to be sharing fox holes with those these statistics bear out often have such a lack of self control that they carelessly transmit a lethal desease.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Right.

    Because the gay and bisexual men in the armed services are known for hiding in foxholes, waiting for the perfect moment to shed their cover and strike by surprise with their deadly blade of disease-ridden death.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

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    Right.

    Because the gay and bisexual men in the armed services are known for hiding in foxholes, waiting for the perfect moment to shed their cover and strike by surprise with their deadly blade of disease-ridden death.

    Surprise buttsecks. You never expect it.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    None of the recruiters I ever spoke to ever mentioned this fringe benefit. All they ever wanted to talk about was duty and honor and being all you can be and educational / career benefits.

    If when I asked, "why on earth would I take up arms in defense of an abstract concept" they'd said "for the anal rape," I totally would've signed up.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

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