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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I sure hope the Republicans are ready to need a 60-vote majority to do anything the next time they think they've got the upper hand.
    we'll pick things that are popular, friend, the stuff we ran on and got elected on

    that's how presidents from time immemorial, very few of whom owned filibuster proof senates, got things done

    it's how chubby chris christie is dominating dark blue trenton

    obama was always so convinced he knew better than everyone else

    it turns out he knew worse, he knows squat, only the crap he was taught at harvard

    it is what it is

    sorry

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    This good news since this was just a political move designed to help dems in November. I thought they were going to wait for the Pentagon's study to be released in December?
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    I think Republicans are in deep. Nobody in history has used filibuster while in a minority as much as they have this last year. I think we now have a government where you need 60 votes in Congress before you can get anything passed, no matter how popular it is. If 75% of Americans can support repeal of DADT and it can get shut down, then nothing is too popular to be shot down by filibuster.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    This good news since this was just a political move designed to help dems in November. I thought they were going to wait for the Pentagon's study to be released in December?
    No. Even back in May they said they weren't going to wait.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    I'm pretty sure it is the other way. Obama can repeal DADT because it was an executive order, but the rule that DADT was in response to was passed by Congress, so only Congress can repeal that rule, therefore Obama overturning DADT would only hurt gays in the military.
    Partially as a response to this movement, the Department of Defense issued a 1982 policy (DOD Directive 1332.14) stating that homosexuality was clearly incompatible with military service.[11] The policy garnered public scrutiny through the 1980s and 1990s, and it became a political issue in the 1992 U.S. presidential election with Bill Clinton and others citing the brutal murder of gay U.S. Navy petty officer Allen R. Schindler, Jr. After Bill Clinton won the presidency, Congress rushed to enact the existing gay ban policy into federal law, outflanking Clinton's planned repeal effort. Clinton introduced Congressional legislation to overturn the ban, but it encountered intense scrutiny by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, members of Congress, and portions of the U.S. public. "Donít Ask, Donít Tell" emerged as a compromise policy.
    Don't ask, don't tell (DADT) is the common term for the policy restricting the United States military from efforts to discover or reveal closeted gay, lesbian, and bisexual service members or applicants, while barring those who are openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual from military service. The restrictions are mandated by federal law Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. ß 654).
    Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Senate Republicans block 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal - Josh Gerstein and Scott Wong - POLITICO.com

    the article continues to quote prominent repeal proponents michelangelo signorile and alexander nicholson of the servicemember's legal defense network who absolutely trash obama and reid

    human rights, tho crestfallen, struggled hard to find a rainbow---recess passage---but politico promptly pounded that perception with the reality of nov 2

    susan collins goes on about how badly she WANTS to repeal dadt, but...

    this bill which could easily have passed failed solely due to a complete absence of leadership and its amateur handling

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    It's a great strategy to chalk this up to a failure of leadership by Reid and Obama. This way the blame for what happens is pulled off the Senators who participated in the filibuster, and whether you're for or against the repeal of DATD you can vent your frustration on the two of them rather than on the Senators who are actually at fault here.

    The fact that it's a great strategy doesn't make it any less of a lie, though.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I think Republicans are in deep.
    Opinion: Independent voters' rightward shift - Douglas E. Schoen and Heather R. Higgins - POLITICO.com

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Battle for the House

    raese passed manchin today in west virginia (bobby byrd's seat), and ron johnson leads russ feingold in wisconsin by double digits

    RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

    the mountain and badger states---are you following the overall senate derby?

    the gubs are a landslide, gubs play powerful parts in presidentials (think about it)

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Governor No Toss Ups

    no, friend, when you stand up for what the people actually want you win political payoffs

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    This good news since this was just a political move designed to help dems in November. I thought they were going to wait for the Pentagon's study to be released in December?
    You mean like this:

    Under language included in the defense bill, repeal would not be implemented until the Pentagon finishes its review of how it would affect the military. Obama, Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen must first certify it can be achieved consistent with the militaryís standards of readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion and recruitment and retention.
    That was from the article quoted in the OP.

    Just saying.
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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Opinion: Independent voters' rightward shift - Douglas E. Schoen and Heather R. Higgins - POLITICO.com

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Battle for the House

    raese passed manchin today in west virginia (bobby byrd's seat), and ron johnson leads russ feingold in wisconsin by double digits

    RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

    the mountain and badger states---are you following the overall senate derby?

    the gubs are a landslide, gubs play powerful parts in presidentials (think about it)

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Governor No Toss Ups

    no, friend, when you stand up for what the people actually want you win political payoffs

    stay up


    You are missing the point. Once Dems are in the minority, they are just going to use the same strategy the Republicans have used and will filibuster everything they bring to the floor. It doesn't matter if the Republicans take a majority. They won't get anything unless they can get 60 votes in the Senate. The Republicans have hung themselves by using this strategy.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 09-21-10 at 09:12 PM.

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    Re: Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    we'll pick things that are popular, friend, the stuff we ran on and got elected on

    that's how presidents from time immemorial, very few of whom owned filibuster proof senates, got things done

    it's how chubby chris christie is dominating dark blue trenton

    obama was always so convinced he knew better than everyone else

    it turns out he knew worse, he knows squat, only the crap he was taught at harvard

    it is what it is

    sorry
    By all means, continue blaming the one guy who couldn't possibly have had anything to do with the filibuster.

    I sure hope the Republicans get a filibuster-proof majority, or it's going to suck to be them when they fail to live up to their mandate.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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