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'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

Just out of curiosity, Navy. Why did you bother starting this thread if you were planning on ducking out early? This isn't an attack, by the way. I'm just curious.

Did you even bother to look at how many attack posts he responded to?
 
i already conceded that point, try to keep up.

You shouldn't have made it in the first place. I know its a standard attack for anyone that doesn't agree with you on this issue but you really need to control your emotions.
 
The reason this went down was that the Pentagon study on the issue does not finish until January of next year. Most want to wait on the results from that before voting in favor of a repeal, which is the best course of action. A few more months won't matter. DADT will still probably not be around even a year from now.

From what I hear, they also tried to tack on a bunch of things to the bill that made even some anti-DADT Senators like Susan Collins vote against it. Probably to try to paint the GOP as obstructionist or homophobic or something... I don't think it was a very smart move, though.
 
Did you even bother to look at how many attack posts he responded to?

Which does exactly what to answer my question? That's what the report button is for. If you are going to bow out of a conversation that's fine, but to make a grandiose gesture of announcing it a few pages in when you started the thread is a little silly to me.
 
From what I hear, they also tried to tack on a bunch of things to the bill that made even some anti-DADT Senators like Susan Collins vote against it. Probably to try to paint the GOP as obstructionist or homophobic or something... I don't think it was a very smart move, though.

As I read it, there was procedural stuff going on involving limiting of debate and such. Collins said she would vote for the bill if they did not limit republican debate, but the democrats did. I think what happened is they realized they did not have the votes to do it at this time(even with her) and so hurried it through and Reid voted against it so that he can bring it back up whenever he desires basically.
 
after serving 21 years in the Navy I saw it first hand my left wing friend..............You are clueless on the issue...........

You saw what firsthand? Gay people in the military? Well stop the presses. Gay people are in the military whether they're allowed to serve openly or not. I'm sorry, but your homoerotic shower fantasies are not a good enough reason to deny someone equal rights.
 
Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban

WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked legislation that would have repealed the law banning gays from serving openly in the military. The partisan vote was a defeat for Senate Democrats and gay rights advocates, who saw the bill as their last chance before November's elections to overturn the law known as "don't ask, don't tell."
With the 56-43 vote, Democrats fell short of the 60 votes needed to advance the legislation. It also would have authorized $726 billion in defense spending including a pay raise for troops.
Senate Democrats attached the repeal provision to the defense bill in the hopes that Republicans would hesitate to vote against legislation that included popular defense programs. But GOP legislators opposed the bill anyway, thwarting a key part of the Democrats' legislative agenda.
Now, gay rights advocates say they worry they have lost a crucial opportunity to change the law. If Democrats lose seats in the upcoming elections this fall, repealing the ban could prove even more difficult — if not impossible — next
year.
Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - Yahoo! News
 
Dav, you where referring to the DREAM act? It was not, at this time, added to the bill from my reading. It's actually an interesting topic in it's own right and I am going to have to start a poll to talk about that one I think.
 
Re: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban

I'm surprised no one posted something about this sooner. It's even in Canadian news (which is weird).

It's unfortunate because there were at least several Republicans who were in favour of the repeal, but in the end they towed the party line. The DADT issue aside, I think that demonstrates a failure of responsibility to one's constituents.

Anyway, as for the topic itself, can't say I'm surprised. Most of NATO has repealed their equivalents of DADT, but the social right wing in the U.S. stubbornly holds on. I am not that worried about the future; it will definitely be repealed. I just figured that now was a good a time as any.
 
Re: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban

I do love the dishonesty of the article. The Dem's have the majority... we don't have 56 votes...
 
Re: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban

I support repealing DADT to some degree. However I am glad this bill did not pass. Not only did it contain DADT, it contained the DREAM act, a lift on banning abortions in military hospitals, and other liberal earmarks trying to be pushed in a defense spending bill.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Merged the two threads on this.
 
Leave it to Navy Pride to start another anti-gay thread without getting any of the facts straight. This vote had nothing to do with the merits of DADT. It simply had to do with procedural aspects of it. You are treading water at this point Navy....the ship has sailed...its just matter of time.
The overwhelming number of Americans and military support repealing the ban. It is only the right-wing and the homophobes that are fighting against it.
 
the dream language was indeed included in the legislation that lost

Senate deals blow to 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in 56-43 vote - TheHill.com

rhino's like omnipresent olympia, of course, are eager to endorse such a bill of 21st century stylings

what turned her, she says, was reid's disallowance of any more than one gop amendment

i think it's something else that's influencing her, she's cooperated with parliamentary procedure quite a number of times before

her more bonafide bugaboo is about leadership, the WHO that currently sits there

that is, had anyone else proposed this piece, she'd've played

anyway

chances of passage in the near future are exceedingly unlikely as nov 2 is gonna radically alter the landscape

richard socarides, gay rights adviser under bill clinton (who has been bucking the adminstration like mad the last couple days, along with robert reich, james carville, ed rendell and a number of other noted clintonistas, i'd love to tell you what i know but i guess here's not a good place), called leadership's management of this bill "a political train wreck," adding obama "badly miscalculated" pentagon support

Don't ask, don't tell doesn't change | News Cut | Minnesota Public Radio

i'd take socarides' sniping with some salt, considering the source, the clintons are very ambitiously positioning themselves these days

except, the gay rights adviser appears to have a point about the pentagon

The Associated Press: Man chosen to lead Marines against lifting gay ban

i'd ask if you're still sure leadership knows what it's doing, but i guess it's not real necessary anymore

fyi

take care
 
Leave it to Navy Pride to start another anti-gay thread without getting any of the facts straight. This vote had nothing to do with the merits of DADT. It simply had to do with procedural aspects of it. You are treading water at this point Navy....the ship has sailed...its just matter of time.
The overwhelming number of Americans and military support repealing the ban. It is only the right-wing and the homophobes that are fighting against it.

I said it mamy times DD, every time it comes to a vote you lose be it the congress orr a state..You have not won one yet...Keep dreaming
 
I said it mamy times DD, every time it comes to a vote you lose be it the congress orr a state..You have not won one yet...Keep dreaming

How many DADT votes have their been?
 
Leave it to Navy Pride to start another anti-gay thread without getting any of the facts straight. This vote had nothing to do with the merits of DADT. It simply had to do with procedural aspects of it. You are treading water at this point Navy....the ship has sailed...its just matter of time.
The overwhelming number of Americans and military support repealing the ban. It is only the right-wing and the homophobes that are fighting against it.

Spin the bs however you want dd. A loss is a loss
 
Which does exactly what to answer my question? That's what the report button is for. If you are going to bow out of a conversation that's fine, but to make a grandiose gesture of announcing it a few pages in when you started the thread is a little silly to me.

Try to follow here. He kept posting for 4 pages responding to countless attacks.

He had finally had enough after 4 pages and you berate him for leaving? I'd like to see you stay in that kind of a fight when you were on the other end.
 
sometimes the only dignified thing to do is walk away
 
It was a friggin filibuster from the party of No....hardly a vote on the substantive issues involved.
 
I said it mamy times DD, every time it comes to a vote you lose be it the congress orr a state..You have not won one yet...Keep dreaming

Navy...you are so full of BS sometimes. You always say...."let the people decide".....unless 80% of the people are against what you want...and then its "let someone else decide"....
 
why would anyone focus his or her attention on any given member when the ISSUES we are discussing are so huge

that would make the target of all this attention even BIGGER than the grand debate

it's really weird, i never understand how members can ever go there

you know, the people who go on the jerry springer show actually believe they look good too

it's so demeaning to the poster who allows himself to get bogged down in personalities, by my view

my mom taught me this stuff, literally, by the time i was 12

it's all about dignity

focus on the debate, the issues, obama, the congress, the wingnuts and witches, the gays who got played along...

get over each other, try to be big
 
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