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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It bothers me that you feel that you have to have two different standards on this issue. You are automatically discounting anyone who is or might be female who served just so that you can say "well I only care about how male personnel feel". The reality is NP, that the military will never just tell gay women that they can serve openly but then tell gay men that they can't. That would be discrimination. Besides that, I would love to see research done on why openly serving gay men would harm morale but openly serving gay women won't. Not that there has ever been any real research done that even suggests that openly serving gay servicemembers of either gender have ever harmed morale.
    Again I am concerned about what affects Navy male personnel aboard ship.....As far as I am concerned women should not even be aboard a Navy combatent.........To be honest with you I am more concerned with straight females aboard ship and the problem of fratenization..........The USS STENNIS is here in the yard and they have a huge problem in that area...........It seems half the women on the ship are walking around the shipyard pregnant................This is another thread though...............
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Are navy personal more immature than the average population? They can't behave? Navy hetorsexuals would willingly have sex with homosexuals? Exactly what is the concern?

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you know why it failed this time Navy? Did it have something to do with procedures and that ass Reid trying to set things up for a pet program of his? Is there already enough votes in the Senate if the procedural crap is left out of it?
    Your problem is the dems will always try to slip **** in..........DADT or immigration has nothing to do but the bill on the defense budget.Why do the dems try and include it?
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are navy personal more immature than the average population? They can't behave? Navy hetorsexuals would willingly have sex with homosexuals? Exactly what is the concern?
    They live in much closer conditions aboard ship then other members..................No private rooms aboard ship for sailors..................
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They live in much closer conditions aboard ship then other members..................No private rooms aboard ship for sailors..................
    So? It makes sex less likely, doesn't it? Or do they just watch each other?

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why are you assuming that every Repulican politician is automatically against this? There are a lot of Republicans that are quite alright with allowing gays to serve openly in the military. And there are at least some Repulican politicians that would vote for it if the military gives it its blessing, which seems to be about to happen. There are a good number of military brass (I know not all of them) who are for this.

    Did you happen to notice the last vote in the senate? All the Republicans voted against DADT and so did several dems..............It will be much worse after November............
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Again I am concerned about what affects Navy male personnel aboard ship.....As far as I am concerned women should not even be aboard a Navy combatent.........To be honest with you I am more concerned with straight females aboard ship and the problem of fratenization..........The USS STENNIS is here in the yard and they have a huge problem in that area...........It seems half the women on the ship are walking around the shipyard pregnant................This is another thread though...............
    Well, women, like gay men, are aboard Navy combatant ships and neither of these facts will change anytime soon (except maybe that gay men and women will be allowed to state that they are gay without worrying about being kicked out). And your perception on military women is severely flawed. I highly doubt that anywhere close to half the women aboard the Stennis are pregnant.

    NP, even if women weren't aboard ships at all, the rule would still apply to them. And you still have not given any reasons why you think gay men serving openly would cause any impact on unit/ship effectiveness and/or what that impact might be? Your past experiences with gay men who were violating other UCMJ rules can't be considered proof, since there are obviously other rules in place to deal with attempted sexual assault/rape or actual sexual assault/rape, and even rules to deal with fraternization (and plus for you NP, gay men don't get pregnant), when it is actually against the rules, and sexual harassment.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So? It makes sex less likely, doesn't it? Or do they just watch each other?
    It makes unwanted advances more likely..............If your in a service where you live in a private room like the AF unwanted advances are less likely.........
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It makes unwanted advances more likely..............If your in a service where you live in a private room like the AF unwanted advances are less likely.........
    That doesn't make sense? Why would a person on a ship full of hetersexuals make an unwanted advance? Surely that would be foolish and unlikely.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Did you happen to notice the last vote in the senate? All the Republicans voted against DADT and so did several dems..............It will be much worse after November............
    I saw. Now show me where it says or where each and every Republican Senator has said that he voted against that bill just to prevent DADT from being repealed (considering the procedure issues and other riders attached to it, I probably would have voted against it too, if I were in the Senate) or proof that all those Republicans would vote against a repeal of DADT if it were a bill by itself and had military endorsement (which it most likely will get from the majority of military high brass very soon, if it doesn't already have).
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