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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess that shoots down one liberal myth then. since there are more than 56 dems, there must be some dems that are raving, mouth foaming, homophobes...just like all the pubs.
    Or it shows that there are dems that don't care for riders or methods that some politicians, of either side, use to try to get stuff passed. At least one of the dems only voted no so that he could revive the bill later on if he wanted. That would put the count at 57 for this, plus there are others who stated what I just did above about not approving of the method used to try to get this passed. Even some of the repubs claimed that they only voted against it due to the method. Some of these may be lying, but it would only take three telling the truth to pass it.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess that shoots down one liberal myth then. since there are more than 56 dems, there must be some dems that are raving, mouth foaming, homophobes...just like all the pubs.
    The vote on this bill had several political things going on. It also had concern that DREAM was going to be added, and Reid voted against the bill in a procedural issue. At least one republican would have voted for the bill if procedural games had not been played as well.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Or it shows that there are dems that don't care for riders or methods that some politicians, of either side, use to try to get stuff passed. At least one of the dems only voted no so that he could revive the bill later on if he wanted. That would put the count at 57 for this, plus there are others who stated what I just did above about not approving of the method used to try to get this passed. Even some of the repubs claimed that they only voted against it due to the method. Some of these may be lying, but it would only take three telling the truth to pass it.
    you missed the point. many liberals always cry and scream that all republicans are rabid homophobes. I was just using their same logic to say that there must be at least a few democrats who are homophobes too. I guess the sarcasm wasn't thick enough in my post.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you missed the point. many liberals always cry and scream that all republicans are rabid homophobes. I was just using their same logic to say that there must be at least a few democrats who are homophobes too. I guess the sarcasm wasn't thick enough in my post.
    I don't approve of anyone stereotyping. I don't believe all people against gays having complete and equal treatment and rights are homophobes. I think some are ignorant or stubbornly set in their ways. Others may believe what they have been taught without bothering to be more openminded about it. I don't believe there is any good reason to believe that gays serving openly would cause issues, even with morale and unit cohesion. Most people who spout this line off have simply been taught this for so long, that they believe it or they have had some issue with a gay servicemember that they don't realize could have been dealt with by another UCMJ rule without being completely unfair to those gay personnel who just do their job. Gay personnel should not have to hide their entire private lives to keep from getting kicked out. If I can talk openly about having a boyfriend or a husband, then they should be able to talk openly about having a significant other. I am not punished for talking about my relationship (unless I talk about sexually explicit information that is either against the UCMJ or offensive to someone), so neither should gay personnel for speaking of the same thing. Up until recently, it truly only took someone saying they were gay, which was viewed as an admission, to get them discharged from the military.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Ever notice how this issue seems to matter mostly to people who would never for a second consider serving in the military?

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ever notice how this issue seems to matter mostly to people who would never for a second consider serving in the military?
    Really? As I served in the 82nd, I doubt by that stupid generalization.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ever notice how this issue seems to matter mostly to people who would never for a second consider serving in the military?
    I served VFA-131 in the USN.

    Ever notice how people try and make broad generalizations with no basis in fact?
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ever notice how this issue seems to matter mostly to people who would never for a second consider serving in the military?
    Maybe you should recheck some of the background info for some of those people who are fighting for gays to serve openly in the military, including myself.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ever notice how this issue seems to matter mostly to people who would never for a second consider serving in the military?
    I have a disorder that prevents me from serving, but it something I wish I could have done.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really? As I served in the 82nd, I doubt by that stupid generalization.
    Then you should understand that the military isn't designed to cater to the sensitivities of a single individual.

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