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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Haved you served? Have you spent 90 days straight at sea? have you showered undressed and slept with 100 people in racks 4 high the size of your living room? when you have done these things instead of being a bleeding heart liberal who this issue has no affect on at all come talk to me............
    Yes, I have been at sea 90 strait days.

    Yes, I have showered undressed and slept with 100 people in shipboard berthing(it was 3 high).

    Yes, I am a bleeding heart liberal.

    Yes, those are not mutually exclusive.

    Yes, I can talk to the issues, as can any one else here. Trying to silence people who disagree with bogus "you don't understand" crap is low.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, I have been at sea 90 strait days.

    Yes, I have showered undressed and slept with 100 people in shipboard berthing(it was 3 high).

    Yes, I am a bleeding heart liberal.

    Yes, those are not mutually exclusive.

    Yes, I can talk to the issues, as can any one else here. Trying to silence people who disagree with bogus "you don't understand" crap is low.
    Yeah well, you don't count.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    When I was on active duty, years ago, there was a gay dude (suspected) that lived in my barracks. "Sweet" Mike, was always the first guy in the showers in the morning and the last guy to leave. he would stand in the corner and watch whilst soaping himself. If he was in the barracks and anyone took a shower during the day/evening hours, Sweet Mike would find an excuse to knock on the door within seconds of you getting back from the shower.

    I have no proof that Mike was gay, maybe he just liked to look at other dudes dicks. He was eventually kicked out, not for being gay, but for being a lousy soldier. failure to adapt to military lifestyle.

    I realize that sweet Mike is atypical of the average gay dude in the military, but it still gave me the creeps.
    Yes, he is atypical. Further, those like "Mike" still won't fit into the military well, and still will probably be discharged for the same reasons. Gays will still have to handle military culture, just as straits in the military do. Nothing in your post actually had anything to do with the actual issue of gays in the military.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And you know for a fact they were all truthful..............One thing you can't refute is gay men live expectancy is about 10 years less on average then straight men........
    So you don't trust surveys, but think that whether or not to keep DADT should be based on a survey?
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Dude, it was fillibustered. They had 56 votes. What reality are you living in?
    I guess that shoots down one liberal myth then. since there are more than 56 dems, there must be some dems that are raving, mouth foaming, homophobes...just like all the pubs.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess that shoots down one liberal myth then. since there are more than 56 dems, there must be some dems that are raving, mouth foaming, homophobes...just like all the pubs. :lmao:
    They are probably not raving or foaming at the mouth.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They are probably not raving or foaming at the mouth.
    so they are just your average, run of the mill homophobe then?
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so they are just your average, run of the mill homophobe then?
    It all depends on the origin of the foam in question.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If I do will you guys shut the **** up about it?

    US CODE TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART II > CHAPTER 37 > 654
    Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces

    (a) Findings. Congress makes the following findings:

    (13) The prohibition against homosexual conduct is a longstanding element of military law that continues to be necessary in the unique circumstances of military service.

    (15) The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.




    CASE F*CKING CLOSED. if you repeal DADT without ammending US Code 10 gays will not be allowed to serve in the military under ANY circumstances.
    This is what happens when people comment without looking things up. Let me quote the DADT repeal amendment that was recently unable to get passed:

    (1) TITLE 10- Upon the effective date established by subsection (b), chapter 37 of title 10, United States Code, is amended--

    (A) by striking section 654; and

    (B) in the table of sections at the beginning of such chapter, by striking the item relating to section 654.
    So, when DADT is repealed(and it will happen), your whole objection is nullified, since to repeal DADT, you have to remove section 654. Why do you guys keep making this same argument that has been destroyed repeatedly...
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This whole shower thing is simply rediculous. SOme barracks have stalls, some barracks have open bays, I haven't seen barracks that have both. That being said, there are no barracks that have males and females sharing showers, regardless of the configuration; hence, gays and straights can't be forced to share billets; per the commandant of the Marine Corps.
    Yes the whole shower thing is ridiculous. How often do soldiers actually have to shower together in open bay showers, outside of training environments and punishments quarters? Possibly in the field, although, from what I have seen and heard about those, they are still separated stalls. Even on ships, we have separate shower stalls. My husband was in the barracks at K-Bay, he shared his bathroom with one roommate. I'm pretty certain they didn't have to shower together. Now I do know that there are barracks where you have to share a complete bathroom with the adjoining room, but, to the best of my knowledge, these have locks inside and out, like the one I stayed in with my husband when I visited him during his training at Lachland.

    All this said, as was mentioned before, college students have some of these same situations in their dorms. There are also similar shower situations in gyms and in some other professions as well, including policemen, firemen, and some doctors. Amazingly, only the military seems to have such an issue with having openly gay personnel showering with straight and closeted gay personnel. In fact, if a gay guy/gal were determined to constantly get peeks at their fellow showerers, they would most likely stay closeted, and the military would have to go through the effort of proving they are gay to get them put into the gay berthing/shower area. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

    Furthermore, how do you prove someone is gay if they do stay closeted about it? Removing restrictions on gay personnel serving will not make it mandatory that everyone declare their sexuality prior to entry. In fact, this would be quite useless, since there are many people who might not know what their sexuality is even upon joining. Some may be in denial due to personal issues with homosexuality. Heck, there may even be some people who say they are gay just to be in a smaller berthing/shower area.

    The sharing of berthings and showers is a weak argument because gays and straights are sharing showers now, men and women aren't.
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