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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Someone needs to show me the policies besides DADT, that would keep gays from serving.
    If I do will you guys shut the **** up about it?

    US CODE TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART II > CHAPTER 37 > 654
    Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces

    (a) Findings.— Congress makes the following findings:

    (13) The prohibition against homosexual conduct is a longstanding element of military law that continues to be necessary in the unique circumstances of military service.

    (15) The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.




    CASE F*CKING CLOSED. if you repeal DADT without ammending US Code 10 gays will not be allowed to serve in the military under ANY circumstances.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am not going to get in a pissing contest with you on who served when and where...........I will say that during the Vietnam conflict I was stationed aboard and AOE. a fast combat support ship and although I stood no watches I was in charge of the cargo gang and put many hours on the cargo deck supporting the ships of the 7th fleet on yankee and dixie station....We performed 811 unreps on a 10 month deployment which is a record by almost 500 unreps.......There were times I did not see my rack for 2 or 3 days and use to sleep between ships we were unreping with my elbow on a stanchion in the handling area.....................

    enough of that though............I was just pointing out that I earned my fifty cents and hou...............
    And I was just pointing out that some of the people who called you on making statements that seem to include all military members, are not wrong. There are a number of military members, who have served duty, at least close to your own, who have a very different opinion on gays in the military. No person should be required to earn their right to voice an opinion on any matter. Having served or not does not necessarily mean that you know any more about another person's situation. I don't claim to know much about what it is like to live on a submarine, but that doesn't mean that I think that submarine forces should be exempt from having gays serve openly aboard. The same is true for combat units. The things that should keep a person from serving in the military, at all, are not physically being able to and/or a demonstrated lack of ability to either do their job or obey orders/rules. That is why DADT and any other rules that keep gays from serving openly and honestly in the military should go away, because being homosexual does not automatically mean that you will cause any problems whatsoever, and no servicemember should have to lie about themself in order to serve. They really shouldn't have to hide anything about themselves either.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    well, "technically" I suppose homosexuals can serve as long as they don't engage in homosexual activity or demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    well, "technically" I suppose homosexuals can serve as long as they don't engage in homosexual activity or demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts.
    Why not make it simple. Anyone can serve but there are not allowed to engage in sexual activity?
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why not make it simple. Anyone can serve but there are not allowed to engage in sexual activity?
    why not just ****ing amend title 10? then DADT would be a ****ing moot ****ing point.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why not just ****ing amend title 10? then DADT would be a ****ing moot ****ing point.
    Works for me....not sure how it is done though....
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Exactly, which is why DADT needs to remain in place and the ban on gays be lifted. What will change, with the repeal of DADT, is now, unit leaders will be able to disharge a soldier on the slightest suspicion of homosexual activity, no matter how unfounded. At least, now, there is a regulation that protects gay soldiers. Without DADT, gay soldiers would have ZERO protections. But hey, go for it, see how it works out for you.

    The anti-DADT folks are so ignorant of how the military works, that they're going to do more harm than good, with the abolition of DADT.
    You'd think if that were true that the gays in the military would be fighting tooth and nail to keep DADT. And yet, it's the opposite. I guess those in the military are ignorant of how the military works.

    You'd also think that all the anti-gay homophobes would be chomping at the bit to repeal DADT. And yet, it's the opposite. I guess those in the military - like Navy - are ignorant of how the military works.



    The repeal of DADT is just the first step. It will facilitate the repeal of the ban on gays in the military altogether.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If I do will you guys shut the **** up about it?

    US CODE TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART II > CHAPTER 37 > 654
    Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces

    (a) Findings.— Congress makes the following findings:

    (13) The prohibition against homosexual conduct is a longstanding element of military law that continues to be necessary in the unique circumstances of military service.

    (15) The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.




    CASE F*CKING CLOSED. if you repeal DADT without ammending US Code 10 gays will not be allowed to serve in the military under ANY circumstances.

    In this case, that is what DADT is referring to. The Murphy Amendment is what was added to the bill that didn't pass the Senate here. It would actually have repealed that code, not just DADT. Most people commonly use DADT only in reference to that Code.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't know what kind of guys you engage in sex with but I myself do not engage in those activities....I find them diagusting and repulsive.................I treat my partner like a queen and put her on a pedestal...You have been with the wrong kind of guys honey.....I see where all your hate for men comes from now...............
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Works for me....not sure how it is done though....
    I'm sure there is a judge in CA that could rule US CODE TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART II > CHAPTER 37 > 654 unconstitutional, just as easily as they did DADT.

    That is why I think the whole thing is a do nothing, warm and fuzzy, scam to pander to gays and gay supporters for votes. They could just as easily ruled against something that would actually make a ****ing difference and they chose not to. Either that or they are just stupid as hell.
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