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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you make the same mistake as most people. before DADT, they could ask you if you were gay, if you lied they let you stay. after DADT they could no longer ask. you don't have to lie, you just have to keep you mouth shut. repealing DADT does absolutely nothing to overturn the military's ban on gays serving.
    Don't think that you know what you're talking about, just because you're in the military. 1/1 PC Rangers have it all figgered out. The rest of us are homophobes.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you make the same mistake as most people. before DADT, they could ask you if you were gay, if you lied they let you stay. after DADT they could no longer ask. you don't have to lie, you just have to keep you mouth shut. repealing DADT does absolutely nothing to overturn the military's ban on gays serving.
    I recognize that....however, you make the bigger mistake in believing that it ends there. Gay people in the military have to lie every day. What do you think happens when soldiers sit around and talk about girlfriends back home, about celebrities that they think are hot...etc. If the gay soldier sits silent, you don't think that this is going to expose them as being gay?...and if they can't be honest and open, many feel that they have to put on an act so as not to out themselves. Its all really rather silly.
    The vast majority of America, including those serving in the military are not as homophobic as people, for instance, in Navy Pride's generation. Most people are more tolent today.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is definately true. Especially in Afriica. It has been used forever as a form of birth control due to lack of contraceptives, and has contributed immensely to the spread of HIV among heterosexuals in that population.
    I'll have to call a big B.S. on that. MORE a heterosexual thing. Please make an attempt to be reasonable and realistic. It is just amazing what people can convince themselves of after enough rationalization. I am not saying that heteros don't have anal sex but your premise is ridiculous. Yeah, sure, homosexuals can't be bothered with anal sex any more because they have so many other choices and they are so much more responsible than heterosexuals. It's popular in Africa amoung hetero's so I can say it is generally just a popular everywhere else in the world.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wrong, they couldn't serve prior to DADT, because of the outright ban on gays that exists in the military. Not only that, a recruiter could ask if a new recruit was gay and if the new recruit ignorantly said yes, then he was out the door; which detered gays from even trying to enlist.

    You're shooting yourself in the foot, because without DADT, it will be easier to smoke out gays serving in the military.

    You never served a day in the military and you know more about it than what I learned in 12 years. Carry on!
    Oh puh-lease....you stare the facts right in the face and then deny their existence. You are fooling yourself if you believe that gays didn't serve in the military before DADT. Gays have always served. The only issue is whether they have to lie about it or whether they can be honest.

    Maybe my value system is screwed up, but I was taught to believe that given the choice between being honest or deceitful, it is better to be honest.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not attacking his service. But serving in the military 100 years ago doesn't give you any special viewpoint of what military service is like today.
    When you claim that he served, "100 years ago", then yes, you're attacking his service.



    I'll bet I have a lot more in common with 20-year-old soldiers than you old farts do, veterans or not.
    I bet you don't. I got an idea, enlist and find out. Then come tell us, "old farts", that we don't know ****.



    OK. Let's hear your completely rational justification for why gays shouldn't be allowed to serve openly. Ready when you are.
    I enver said they shouldn't. I've explain how gays can be allowed to serve in the military. But keep going down the, "I'm going to insult every veteran that doesn't share my point of view, no matter how small minded and ignorant it may be", road. It may actually lead somewhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    In all this righteous indignation about the vote I want to point out that just like a lot of issues the DADT amendment or bill was attached to a general appropriations bill for the military and included one other controverisal provision called the Dream something or other. Basically the "Dream" bill is a stealth law for giving amnesty for a lot of illegal aliens. So the vote was not strictly a mandate on DADT.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh puh-lease....you stare the facts right in the face and then deny their existence. You are fooling yourself if you believe that gays didn't serve in the military before DADT. Gays have always served. The only issue is whether they have to lie about it or whether they can be honest.


    I enver said they didn't. Wanna keep teaming up with Kandahar and creating statements that I never made?

    Maybe my value system is screwed up, but I was taught to believe that given the choice between being honest or deceitful, it is better to be honest.
    Yeah and if you paid attention to what I really said, vice seeing comments that were never made, you would see a way for gays to serve in the military, without fear of punishment under the UCMJ. But, since you never served a single minute in the military, you know about it than what I learned in 12 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. Let's summarize the actual objections you've raised to allowing gays to serve in the military. I'm paraphrasing a bit here:

    1. You don't want some big, muscular, naked black dude named Tyrone to stare at your cock in the shower.
    2. You don't want tall, dark, and handsome Enrique telling you about how he bent his gay lover over a chair, with sweat dripping from his hairy chest while he ****ed him in the ass.
    3. You don't want cute, blonde Steve to make a pass at you in the barracks when you're trying to sleep. That would just be awful, and certainly not exactly what you want.

    Even if all of your scenarios were commonplace among gay soldiers in the military (and they aren't), none of them are good enough reasons to discriminate. If you don't have any actual justification aside from your homoerotic fantasies for denying homosexuals their equal civil rights, then you should just admit that your position has no merit.

    Who do you think you're fooling anyway? We all know that there is one and only one reason why you don't want gays to serve: You just don't like gay people. Period.
    So, now we're going to bring race into it?

    it just never ends.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you make the same mistake as most people. before DADT, they could ask you if you were gay, if you lied they let you stay. after DADT they could no longer ask. you don't have to lie, you just have to keep you mouth shut. repealing DADT does absolutely nothing to overturn the military's ban on gays serving.
    I believe it is quite ignorant for anyone to believe that the military, Congress, or whoever the heck it takes to repeal DADT would not also include any other military rules that would keep gays from serving from being repealed as well. The whole point of removing DADT is so that gays will be able to serve in the military openly. Most of the military rules have already been changed to accomodate this. The only real rule that only affects gays, from what I know, is DADT. Even sodomy rules could technically stay in place, since the military would actually have to prove sodomy occurred and the punishments would have to be equivalent to those that would be received by a heterosexual engaging in the same act(s). Sexuality would also have to be included in the tolerance and equal opportunity trainings. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that these are a few of the things that they are looking into in the study.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Senate just voted and the dems only got 56 votes so DADT is still law.............
    Bad idea to put it to a vote, Harry... Sure, hundreds of gays came out of the closet, but not near enough to counter the millions who are still prejudiced.

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