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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I did not make that up...I think gay groups acknowledge that gay men have a a shorter life expectancy then straight men....
    You may be forgetting however NP that the military tests for HIV at least once every 3 years (although, while I was on active duty, I know I was tested every 2 years on shore duty, and every year on ship). And the military actually allows anyone to stay in with HIV, they are just restricted on where they may serve.

    Also NP, please keep in mind that there are other people on this board who have served in the Navy, onboard ships for >90 days at sea, who have served more recently than you. I am one of them, and I know that there are many servicemembers who could truly care less if gays are allowed to serve openly. There are some ratings in the Navy that are so undermanned that even people who would object morally to homosexuality and/or who may be uncomfortable living with homosexuals would quickly get over it to get DADT (and the UCMJ sodomy laws) repealed if it meant that they would have a better watch and/or liberty rotation. You tend to learn what is really important when you have to stand 6 and 6s or 3 section duty while the rest of the ship is on 4 or 5 section duty. Some subs are port and starboard duty rotation. Allowing gays to serve openly could actually cause more people to want to join or at least keep some of those qualified in, which would mean more people to stand watches, which means more liberty for everyone.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I hate it when DADT threads turn into nothing more than a buncha Libbos shouting, "you-a-homophobe!", just because someone disagrees with the repeal of DADT.
    What boggles my mind the most, is how they curse DADT, but fail to understand that DADT is the only law that actually allows gays to serve in the military. Without it, unit leaders would be authorized to poll the members of their units to see whose gay and whose straight; discharging the gay members, because the repeal of DADT doesn't lift the ban on gays serving in the military.

    I think they're opening a big-ass can of worms and don't even realize it. I think that's the reason that the joint chiefs have been so quiet on the issue. When DADT is repealed, the JCS are going to clean house, then sit back and say, "hey! You wanted DADT repealed, well, you got what you asked for!".
    Hey it took them to the 3rd post on this thread to start with the homophobe bull****.............And they call us the intolerant ones.......what a joke................
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

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    I hear this is not uncommon with the homosexual community.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We have been over this..........go back and read the thread instead of running your mouth.....thanks..............
    No. Let's summarize the actual objections you've raised to allowing gays to serve in the military. I'm paraphrasing a bit here:

    1. You don't want some big, muscular, naked black dude named Tyrone to stare at your cock in the shower.
    2. You don't want tall, dark, and handsome Enrique telling you about how he bent his gay lover over a chair, with sweat dripping from his hairy chest while he ****ed him in the ass.
    3. You don't want cute, blonde Steve to make a pass at you in the barracks when you're trying to sleep. That would just be awful, and certainly not exactly what you want.

    Even if all of your scenarios were commonplace among gay soldiers in the military (and they aren't), none of them are good enough reasons to discriminate. If you don't have any actual justification aside from your homoerotic fantasies for denying homosexuals their equal civil rights, then you should just admit that your position has no merit.

    Who do you think you're fooling anyway? We all know that there is one and only one reason why you don't want gays to serve: You just don't like gay people. Period.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What boggles my mind the most, is how they curse DADT, but fail to understand that DADT is the only law that actually allows gays to serve in the military.
    Wrong....they could serve before, they just had to lie and claim to be straight. DADT punishes honesty. Wow....what a concept. Lying is ok.....honesty will get you discharged. Talk about screwed up values.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    DD you use to bring something to the table but now all you do is attack other members......I am sorry things like gay marriage and DADT are not going well for you but please try and bring something of essence to the table...........I won't respond to anymore of your posts that are just personal attacks..............

    Thanks.............
    If you aren't pulling the figures out of your anus...perhaps you could enlighten us all Navy and explain where you are getting the figures from that you cite.

    We'll all be waiting patiently.

    My guess...is that we all know your source
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you're going to attack a veteran's service, you better have some time in the field to back it up.
    I'm not attacking his service. But serving in the military 100 years ago doesn't give you any special viewpoint of what military service is like today.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    Let me get you up to speed here and tell you that you have know clue what a 20 year-old soldier thinks. Don't even go down that road.
    I'll bet I have a lot more in common with 20-year-old soldiers than you old farts do, veterans or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    And, please, stop calling everyone that disagrees with your misguided agenda a homophobe.
    OK. Let's hear your completely rational justification for why gays shouldn't be allowed to serve openly. Ready when you are.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Gay men have no reason to fear a confidential survey. No matter how "uncool" unsafe sex is, if you can't attach their name to it, they have no reason to lie.
    They don't fear the survey, they manipulate it. Many people are not honest with themselves so being dishonest with a confidential survey should be no problem.

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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong....they could serve before, they just had to lie and claim to be straight. DADT punishes honesty. Wow....what a concept. Lying is ok.....honesty will get you discharged. Talk about screwed up values.
    you make the same mistake as most people. before DADT, they could ask you if you were gay, if you lied they let you stay. after DADT they could no longer ask. you don't have to lie, you just have to keep you mouth shut. repealing DADT does absolutely nothing to overturn the military's ban on gays serving.
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    Re: 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal in doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong....they could serve before, they just had to lie and claim to be straight. DADT punishes honesty. Wow....what a concept. Lying is ok.....honesty will get you discharged. Talk about screwed up values.
    Wrong, they couldn't serve prior to DADT, because of the outright ban on gays that exists in the military. Not only that, a recruiter could ask if a new recruit was gay and if the new recruit ignorantly said yes, then he was out the door; which detered gays from even trying to enlist.

    You're shooting yourself in the foot, because without DADT, it will be easier to smoke out gays serving in the military.

    You never served a day in the military and you know more about it than what I learned in 12 years. Carry on!
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