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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, we should certainly provide aid when people are suffering but the west has poured trillions into Africa over the last 60 years and have little to show for it. And, as you say, it's usually not getting to the people who most need it.

    I think we agree that foreign aid should still go to African but in a radically different format than what has gone on in the past. There has to come a time when we realize that past policies aren't working and probably never will.
    Definitely. There are good uses of foreign aid (e.g. micronutrients, condoms, vaccinations, primary schools) and bad uses of foreign aid (e.g. tuberculosis prevention, environmental protection). It's not always easy to tell them apart. Furthermore, there are countries where foreign aid is very well-spent (e.g. India, Botswana, Ghana, Lesotho) and countries where foreign aid basically disappears into a black hole (e.g. Chad, Guinea, Somalia, Central African Republic).

    I think we need to give to those causes/places where the money can be used effectively. It sucks for those who are suffering in other regions and from other problems...but I think we need to recognize that we have a limited foreign aid budget and it needs to be used wherever it can do the most good.
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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You know damn well the US gives more than any other country. End of story. It's communist tendencies in Spain trying to tax the world that makes me sick. Our money is none of your damn concern.
    Hog wash. Since we are talking government money (noted by the "tax dollars" aspect), the US gives most in absolute terms, that is correct. About 23 billion a year in ODA.. the UK gives almost 13 billion and has what 1/4 the population? France, Germany and the UK combined give over 33 billion and that is from a population base that is about half that of the US. If we talk about the EU as a whole, there is no contest there ... EU > US by leaps and bounds in ODA.

    But that is not how we compare countries is it now? No that is done in % of GDP or per captia and there the US is at the bottom of the OECD ranking. The US gives only 0.17% (2008 number) of GDP in official development aid... Spain gives over double that amount and my home country gives over 4 times that amount.

    So by all means.. be "proud" of your 23 billion a year you give out of an economy of 300 million people...I would not.. Then again I am proud that my small nation of 5 million people give about 2.5 billion dollars each year in ODA.. at least I have something to have it in as they say.
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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Doo you have a problem with reading comprehension
    None at all. I merely pointed out where your argument became absurd.

    I do not now nor will I ever back any global tax for any reason and I resent hell out of your mistaken thoughts.
    First of all, it's not a global tax. So you fail there. Second, the Millennium development goals are partially geared towards alleviating conditions that foster terrorism. So you fail there as well. So basically you are against reducing terrorism because it might cost you $5. Glad to see you still hate America.

    If you review only a few of my posts I defy anyone to come up with a more fake Patriotic attitude than I have.
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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hog wash. Since we are talking government money (noted by the "tax dollars" aspect), the US gives most in absolute terms, that is correct. About 23 billion a year in ODA.. the UK gives almost 13 billion and has what 1/4 the population? France, Germany and the UK combined give over 33 billion and that is from a population base that is about half that of the US. If we talk about the EU as a whole, there is no contest there ... EU > US by leaps and bounds in ODA.

    But that is not how we compare countries is it now? No that is done in % of GDP or per captia and there the US is at the bottom of the OECD ranking. The US gives only 0.17% (2008 number) of GDP in official development aid... Spain gives over double that amount and my home country gives over 4 times that amount.

    So by all means.. be "proud" of your 23 billion a year you give out of an economy of 300 million people...I would not.. Then again I am proud that my small nation of 5 million people give about 2.5 billion dollars each year in ODA.. at least I have something to have it in as they say.
    What a crock! If you count charities from a country you have to count all charitable giving to be fair. That includes government, personal, religious and private institutions. It all comes out of the collective pockets of U.S. Citizens. Screw a stupid frigging tax. It is called CHARITY. I want no part of another wealth distribution scheme by any name.

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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not true.

    The Most Generous Countries on Earth - NYTimes.com

    The US is only nr 5 according to this index.
    1. Australia
    1. New Zealand
    3. Ireland
    3. Canada
    5. Switzerland
    5. United States
    7. Netherlands
    8. Britain
    8. Sri Lanka
    10 Austria
    "Only" number 5? Out of 195 countries in the world? That's actually outstanding. Australia, Canada, U.S., Ireland, and Britain are in the top 8. English speaking nations leading the way on yet another list? Where is France and Germany? Or Spain? Sitting out an entire Cold War has produced what from Europe for the world? Maybe France should make less speeches about upping the ante to feed the hungry and catch up with de Gaulle's "inferiors." Or at least release it's colonial grip in Western Africa to join the rest of Europe in the post colonial period.
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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Ending global hunger is a political and leftist crock.

    Currently most of the third-world is trapped in a cycle. Former colonial powers have made business deals with the elite of the formerly colonized. They have been forced to produce certain materials, which may benefit the nations of the firts-world, but stifles growth and economic potential for the producer. Furthermore, the World Bank system has guaranteed that these nations are forever indebted and the only way to remain treading is to produce the prescribed "crop."

    What this means is that these formerly colonized nations are unable to spend money on education and infrastructure. This means that jobs are not created and a dumbing down of the society. If country X must deliver on wheat to keep up with the astrnomical World Bank loan interests then they will focus entirely on wheat just to scrape a few pennies for other departments.

    Of course, American corn and farm products inbto third-world nations have merely run local buseiness out of business and encouraged greater poverty levels and outside reliance.

    The answer is to forgive the depraved international debts upon them and cut them off in order to make them evolve naturally. This means that the first-world must find a way to fend for itself like it used to do before European colonialism and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Only when societes are free from outside burden can they evolve naturally. And the third-world has not evolved naturally since the 18th century due to outside imposition.

    And we ask why they are so screwed up.

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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    I can't support that "We Are The World" utopian bull**** either. First off, the money would never make it to the source of trouble. Give a dictator 1 mil and you have just made him a million richer and still have a poverty among his people.

    Solution - If you want to end poverty, shoot the people who are causing it before investing a red cent.

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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    "Only" number 5? Out of 195 countries in the world? That's actually outstanding. Australia, Canada, U.S., Ireland, and Britain are in the top 8. English speaking nations leading the way on yet another list? Where is France and Germany? Or Spain? Sitting out an entire Cold War has produced what from Europe for the world? Maybe France should make less speeches about upping the ante to feed the hungry and catch up with de Gaulle's "inferiors." Or at least release it's colonial grip in Western Africa to join the rest of Europe in the post colonial period.
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    Re: France boosts pledge to fight world poverty, urges others to follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    What a crock! If you count charities from a country you have to count all charitable giving to be fair. That includes government, personal, religious and private institutions. It all comes out of the collective pockets of U.S. Citizens. Screw a stupid frigging tax. It is called CHARITY. I want no part of another wealth distribution scheme by any name.
    That aint what we are talking about. This was "our tax dollars" and private charity aint part of that. If you want to discuss total charity giving then start a thread.
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