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Sen. Lisa Murkowski mounting write-in bid for Senate

obvious Child said:
Merely pointing out a painful truth. Merely because you don't like it doesn't make it any less true. Your whole list of why she's on the left was summed up nicely by me.

If we assume the left is diametrically opposed to the right, right means that you are for less individual liberty, are for leaving children to die in the cold and would rather see your mother die then conduct research on a bunch of cells.
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Ahh you just have adolescent level emotionalism masking a weak attempt to be witty. By all means, please keep creating fantastical positions that MUST be for you to promote. It is most entertaining.
 
MrVicchio said:
Ahh you just have adolescent level emotionalism masking a weak attempt to be witty. By all means, please keep creating fantastical positions that MUST be for you to promote. It is most entertaining.
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Perhaps you have once again failed to read the article you posted? Would you be so kind as to point out how my summarization of your article is false? Or are you just going to pretend that you are capable of arguing on a level that the rest of forum does? It would be most entertaining to add this thread to the list of where your own article was not what you thought it was.
 
Moot said:
So you like to tell other people how to spend their money? tsk, tsk, tsk, that's not very libertarian of you.
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It's amazing how the younger generation of socialists are as illiterate as their forebears. (That last word has nothing to do with ursine orgies.)
 
Barbbtx said:
BS you know very well a Dem could win because she is acting like a snot-nosed brat. She is undermining Alaska and the Country.
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Lol... what the ****? She isn't undermining the country. Most of the country couldn't name an issue important to Alaskans anymore than they could name an issue important to Iowans. Calm down. Mkay?
 
obvious Child said:
Perhaps you have once again failed to read the article you posted? Would you be so kind as to point out how my summarization of your article is false? Or are you just going to pretend that you are capable of arguing on a level that the rest of forum does? It would be most entertaining to add this thread to the list of where your own article was not what you thought it was.
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Let's make it easy. You're taking the stance that if someone is PRO-Life they don't CARE about liberty, ignoring that the life in PRO-Life is an unborn child whose rights mean nothing to people like you. Kinda odd to try and claim one is against Liberty when one is for saving innocent lives.

Love the completely absurd
are for leaving children to die in the cold
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that shows a seriously lack of HONESTY on your part. Could you site where any Pro-Life person advocates or promotes letting children die in the cold. We'll all wait while you run from the thread and never return OR watch as you come up with another absurdity to justify the first absurdity.

And finally that last part about letting your mother die rather then study a bunch of cells. What poppycock loaded rhetoric you use. Dishonest rhetoric at that. You ignore the moral and ethical debate at the heart of the embryonic stem cell debate and instead inject hyper-emotionalism to bolster a weak position. Embryonic Stem Cell Research is touted as having great potential yet for all it's potential has shown little actual result. Where as Adult Stem Cell Research is producing solutions now.

You are free however to stay on emotionalism, that's very easy to deconstruct.
 
MrVicchio said:
Embryonic Stem Cell Research is touted as having great potential yet for all it's potential has shown little actual result.
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And then people wonder why the American right is considered to be ignorant of science. Do tell us MrVicchio what does 'potential' have to do with 'result' on a scientific level? Before it was actually attempted on an operating table transplating a heart had the potential to save somebody's life. It was until it was actually tried that results were obtained. That is why that particular argument falls flat on its face. Stem cell research by scientific standards is an extremely new field. To expect results for it immediately is not only ignorant of the amount of research which goes in finding the knowledge to obtain cures but simply dishonest. I guess it's only right that it would be you that made such arguments then. But here, considering you're making the argument that because results are not yet here then it's not worth to continue exploring what do you say of scientists attempting to extract stem cells without destroying the embryo but as of yet haven't had any results? Do you propose they stop doing that too?
 
Hatuey said:
And then people wonder why the American right is considered to be ignorant of science. Do tell us MrVicchio what does 'potential' have to do with 'result' on a scientific level? Before it was actually attempted on an operating table transplating a heart had the potential to save somebody's life. It was until it was actually tried that results were obtained. That is why that particular argument falls flat on its face. Stem cell research by scientific standards is an extremely new field. To expect results for it immediately is not only ignorant of the amount of research which goes in finding the knowledge to obtain cures but simply dishonest. I guess it's only right that it would be you that made such arguments then. But here, considering you're making the argument that because results are not yet here then it's not worth to continue exploring what do you say of scientists attempting to extract stem cells without destroying the embryo but as of yet haven't had any results? Do you propose they stop doing that too?
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Wow starts out with a personal insult -rptdbtw- Embryonic Stem Cell Research hasn't shown results, where as Adult Stem Cell Research is. What criteria do you want? Can you show where I want said research "Stopped" or you can point to what I AM doing; Questioning the logic in using Tax Payer money to research an ethically and morally divisive issue.

Carry on with your commentary Hatuey.
 
Hatuey said:
And then people wonder why the American right is considered to be ignorant of science. Do tell us MrVicchio what does 'potential' have to do with 'result' on a scientific level?
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My money, for one thing.

Dead babies, for another.

The fact that ESCR hasn't shown a single promising application in three decades of research is yet another.

The fact that the nation can't afford to waste money on blind alleys that the Constitution doesn't even allow the federal government to explore is a fourth.

Then there's the minor fact that a new skin graft grown from embryonic stem cells doesn't do the recipient much good since he'll still have to go through anti-rejection drugs for the rest of his life, whether the alien donor is an adult human or a murdered baby. That victim needs technology that will turn his own adult stem cells into his own genuine non-intruder replacement parts.

It's too damn bad that Micheal J Fox has the twitches, but that's not sufficient reason to murder babies.

But here, considering you're making the argument that because results are not yet here then it's not worth to continue exploring what do you say of scientists attempting to extract stem cells without destroying the embryo but as of yet haven't had any results? Do you propose they stop doing that too?
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Since I do not agree that one innocent person should be murdered solely to save the life of another, you don't seem to have anything in your arsenal.

One man's death should not be prevented by killing another man simply to harvest his organs.
 
MrVicchio said:
Wow starts out with a personal insult -rptdbtw- Embryonic Stem Cell Research hasn't shown results, where as Adult Stem Cell Research is. What criteria do you want? Can you show where I want said research "Stopped" or you can point to what I AM doing; Questioning the logic in using Tax Payer money to research an ethically and morally divisive issue.

Carry on with your commentary Hatuey.
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More importantly than that, the federal government lacks the Constitutional authority to delve into biological research.
 
MrVicchio said:
Wow starts out with a personal insult -rptdbtw-
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You like doing it too. Quit your crying.

Embryonic Stem Cell Research hasn't shown results,
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You keep repeating this but it doesn't make it true:

Pros & Cons of Embryonic Stem Cell Research

In August 2005, Harvard University scientists announced a break-through discovery that fuses "blank" embryonic stem cells with adult skin cells, rather than with fertilized embryos, to create all-purpose stem cells viable to treat diseases and disabilities.
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Stem cell research breakthrough reported - UPI.com

GAINESVILLE, Fla., Oct. 14 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists said they have discovered that as embryonic stem cells turn into various cell types, DNA replication and organizational changes also occur.

The research, termed groundbreaking, was led by Florida State University Professor David Gilbert. He said the findings "bridge a critical knowledge gap for stem cell biologists, enabling them to better understand the enormously complex process by which DNA is repackaged during differentiation" -- when embryonic stem cells adopt specialized functions.
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Stem Cell research breakthrough in Jerusalem | StarTribune.com

“A new technology developed at Hadassah University Medical Center has made it possible to produce large amounts of human embryonic stem cells (hESCs) for industry and research by growing them in suspension. Until now, hESCs – which have the potential of ripening into any other type of body cells for repair of tissues and organs – have been created in small numbers.”- Judy Seigel-Itzkovitch.
In the past stem cells have been grown on beds in one layer. The Hadassah researchers were able to cultivate the stem cells for the first time in large vats with precise, computerized monitoring of growth conditions.
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The procedure, in which researchers from stem cell company Stemagen removed nuclei from the skin cells of two adult men and put them inside a fertilized and emptied-out egg, is already known to scientists and the public. It’s the first step of cloning — either therapeutic cloning, in which embryos provide stem cells for potential medical use, or reproductive cloning, in which embryos grow into a new person.

Both therapeutic and reproductive cloning are still in their early stages — the latter because it’s globally abhorred, the former because it’s scientifically tricky. If scientists can figure out how to make viable embryonic stem cells from a clone, the human race would be a lot closer to personalized stem cell treatments, with new limbs and disease cures promised to anyone with a few spare skin flakes and enough money to foot the bill.


Read More Stem Cell Breakthrough, Sort Of | Wired Science | Wired.com
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What criteria do you want? Can you show where I want said research "Stopped" or you can point to what I AM doing; Questioning the logic in using Tax Payer money to research an ethically and morally divisive issue.

Carry on with your commentary Hatuey.
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Oh what bull****,

ABCNEWS.com : Public Backs Stem Cell Research

June 26 — Americans by a 2-1 margin support stem cell research and say it should be funded by the federal government, despite controversy over its use of human embryos.
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Most Americans Uphold Stem Cell Research: Angus Reid Global Monitor

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Many adults in the United States support a specific type of scientific investigation, according to a poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. 51 per cent of respondents believe it is more important to conduct stem cell research that might result in new medical cures, while 35 per cent think not destroying the potential life of human embryos involved in this research is paramount.
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Gallup Poll: Sixty Percent of Americans Say Embryonic Stem Cell Research Morally Acceptable - God & Country (usnews.com)

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A majority of Americans likely support President Barack Obama's executive order Monday doing away with the rules on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research that were in place under the Bush administration. In a Gallup Poll conducted last month, 38% of Americans said they support easing those restrictions and another 14% said they favor no restrictions at all. About 4 in 10 Americans favor keeping the Bush restrictions or eliminating federal funding altogether.
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This 'morally' and 'ethically' dividing issue is no more so than sex education and yet sex education is fully legal and federally funded. This is only an issue for people like you, who are, for all intended purposes ignorant of scientific advancements and place the 'potential for life' that goo on a petri dish has above the more believable potential of science finding a (shocking - I know) cure for people who are actually, you know, walking among us.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Clearly the Murkowski broad is going to put her personal agrandizement ahead of the interests of the Americans in Alaska by doing her best to help the Democrat scumbucket win the election. She not only has abolutely no chance of winning the election (she's not cute and cuddly looking like nice old Uncle Joey Leiberman, she looks like a post-menopausal angry dyke, very reminiscent of Janet Reno, with Hillary's shrillness on top.), she knows all this going in.

This is exactly why We The People are disgusted with the entrenched party favorites.
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This is why I said a few threads ago that it is likely the dems will maintain their majority in both the house and senate. The positive part of that will be that even though I suspect they still will not gain enough seats, conservatives will recognize the Tea Party message and come 2012, their 'mainstream' candidates will be both higher quality and have a stronger fiscally conservative message.
 
MrVicchio said:
Yeah, that's a line... NO ONE is buying. She ran for the GOP Nomination, she lost, now instead of making way for the choice of her party, she's hurting the GOP Candidates chances by stealing votes from him.

Spin it however you like Jallman...
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It's not spin...the general election hasn't happened yet. Until it does, she hasn't undermined anyone. Spin it however YOU want, but she perfectly within the rule of law for launching this campaign. :shrug:
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Clearly the Murkowski broad is going to put her personal agrandizement ahead of the interests of the Americans in Alaska by doing her best to help the Democrat scumbucket win the election.
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Since when did the Tea Party movement have a lock on the interests of the people of any area? Who, exactly, ordained them with all that moral authority?

Sarah Palin?

:lol:
 
let the flea run, we'll crush her

seeya at the polls, all
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
That's because I'm a libertarian.

A real one.
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Watch out, everybody! He's a Really Real Libertarian for Realism!

:lol:

People who use the word "real" to describe themselves are generally fake as hell.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Libertarians are opposed to liberalism.

That's because we grew up a long long time ago.
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Oh ho, so not only is your existence more substantial than those of your opponents, but the fact that they oppose your views means they less mature than you are!

Nothing like a broad-brush personal attack to certify the validity of your beliefs. :lol:
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Ain't no such thing as an American moderate.

Moderation means compromising someone else's principles so you can feel good about yourself, and we all know that only the conservatives and Americans have principles.

So, yes, only liberals are moderates.
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Obviously you haven't read the Federalist Papers, you Really Real Libertarian you. :lol:
 
jallman said:
It's not spin...the general election hasn't happened yet. Until it does, she hasn't undermined anyone. Spin it however YOU want, but she perfectly within the rule of law for launching this campaign. :shrug:
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Whose saying she isn't within the rule of law?

No one said otherwise. I believe that's called a Strawman, yes, I do think that's what you created.

My point, the GOP Party's point... most honest folks see her as throwing a tempertantram because she was not selected by her parties voters to represent them.

She's free to run as an independent, she's killed her chance of ever running again as a Republican... oh and she's trying to sabotage Miller's run.
 
liblady said:
yep...just like lieberman.
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Actually, the two circumstances are hardly the same. In that case, the NATIONAL DNC came in and drove Joe out for siding with the GOP on the WAR, but the PEOPLE of Conn. **** on them for that arrogance and he won.

In this case she ran in the primary and lost, and is now running for selfish reasons.
 
MrVicchio said:
Actually, the two circumstances are hardly the same. In that case, the NATIONAL DNC came in and drove Joe out for siding with the GOP on the WAR, but the PEOPLE of Conn. **** on them for that arrogance and he won.

In this case she ran in the primary and lost, and is now running for selfish reasons.
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no difference. lieberman lost the primary and then ran as an independent. murkowski might do the same. she might win. so?
 
MrVicchio said:
Let's make it easy. You're taking the stance that if someone is PRO-Life they don't CARE about liberty, ignoring that the life in PRO-Life is an unborn child whose rights mean nothing to people like you. Kinda odd to try and claim one is against Liberty when one is for saving innocent lives.
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By forcing someone else to abide to their views and abdicate their own sovereignty? Really. Try again.

Love the completely absurd that shows a seriously lack of HONESTY on your part. Could you site where any Pro-Life person advocates or promotes letting children die in the cold.
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Dude. Did you even read your own link? (wait, I know the answer to that) Do you know what SCHIP is?

We'll all wait while you run from the thread and never return OR watch as you come up with another absurdity to justify the first absurdity.
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Sorry, I don't define absurdity as anything I disagree with as you so often do. :peace

And finally that last part about letting your mother die rather then study a bunch of cells. What poppycock loaded rhetoric you use. Dishonest rhetoric at that. You ignore the moral and ethical debate at the heart of the embryonic stem cell debate and instead inject hyper-emotionalism to bolster a weak position. Embryonic Stem Cell Research is touted as having great potential yet for all it's potential has shown little actual result. Where as Adult Stem Cell Research is producing solutions now.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...unting-write-bid-senate-6.html#post1058997541

Says you, like always, are wrong.
 
liblady said:
yep...just like lieberman.
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Wait a minute....Who does Joe Liberman caucus with again? I get it....You libs hate him for committing the sin of befriending some repubs, bad talk him at every turn, yet when it comes to giving up a chairmanship seat, he's your guy.....Pathetic. Reminds me of those kids on the playground that would tell you they would be your friend as long as you didn't tell anyone....They grew up to be losers today.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Wait a minute....Who does Joe Liberman caucus with again? I get it....You libs hate him for committing the sin of befriending some repubs, bad talk him at every turn, yet when it comes to giving up a chairmanship seat, he's your guy.....Pathetic. Reminds me of those kids on the playground that would tell you they would be your friend as long as you didn't tell anyone....They grew up to be losers today.
j-mac
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Hell...look how easily libs threw Lieberman under the bus. In 2000 he was a good enough liberal to be a candidate for vice president. But man...stand with a republican president fighting the war on terror? And forget about all his other liberal ideals...out he goes! Oooops...yep...THAT worked out well for them...
 
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