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    Christians in Indonesia defy police, past attacks

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    JAKARTA, Indonesia – A group of Christian worshippers said they would defy police and the threat of attack to hold Sunday prayers outside their now-boarded-up church near Indonesia's capital.

    Religious tensions that had been growing for months in the industrial city of Bekasi came to a head last week when unidentified assailants stabbed a member of the Batak Christian Church in the stomach and hit its preacher on the head with a wooden plank. Neither injury was life-threatening.
    Bekasi Police Chief Col. Imam Sugianto warned them against returning Sunday, saying "if they don't listen, we will take them ourselves to a temporary place for worship offered by the government."
    And Muslims insist on tolerance... yeah, right...

    It is apalling that the police chief would warn these people against exercising their basic rights under the Indonesian Constitution. The police should be going after the extremists, NOT the Christians...

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    I agree, it's a crime against humanity, and this should not be tolerated by the international community. It's sickening what is happening here, and I thank God that I live in America everytime I hear about this kind of thing.

    Though, let us not become what they are, let us be tolerant, and peaceful to every religion, and let everyone worship whatever they want without fear of this kind of persecution.
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    Re: Christians in Indonesia defy police, past attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I agree, it's a crime against humanity, and this should not be tolerated by the international community. It's sickening what is happening here, and I thank God that I live in America everytime I hear about this kind of thing.

    Though, let us not become what they are, let us be tolerant, and peaceful to every religion, and let everyone worship whatever they want without fear of this kind of persecution.
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    The Islamic Defender's Front pressured local authorities early this year to shutter the Batak church, arguing the permit was granted without the required approval of residents.
    So the Church was illegally built?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So the Church was illegally built?
    Police arrested 10 suspects including the local leader of the hard-line Islamic Defender's Front, which has for months warned the Christians against holding prayers in the staunchly Muslim neighborhood.
    Hard to interpret. Apparently, Christians cannot build a church in Indonesia without the approval of the local Muslim majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Hard to interpret. Apparently, Christians cannot build a church in Indonesia without the approval of the local Muslim majority.
    Not true and never has been. Indonesia has five officially recognized religions and all legally have the freedom to worship and build houses of worship anywhere in the country. This has never before been a problem in Java, even in Jogjakarta, which is the center of Islamic learning on the island (the home of the Indonesia Islamic University).
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    Re: Christians in Indonesia defy police, past attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not true and never has been. Indonesia has five officially recognized religions and all legally have the freedom to worship and build houses of worship anywhere in the country. This has never before been a problem in Java, even in Jogjakarta, which is the center of Islamic learning on the island (the home of the Indonesia Islamic University).
    That's why I said it's hard to interpret. The article isn't composed very clearly, but the impression I get is that residents must approve a permit for such a thing...

    The Islamic Defender's Front pressured local authorities early this year to shutter the Batak church, arguing the permit was granted without the required approval of residents.

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    INDONESIA Jakarta to review laws on religious freedom to guarantee Christian rights - Asia News

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    Jakarta (AsiaNews) – Indonesian authorities will review the laws that regulate freedom of religion in the country. They will especially vet a controversial joint ministerial decree (nș8 of 2006 and nș9 of 2009), Senior Minister for Legal, Political and Security Affairs Djoko Suyanto said at the end of day marked by street protests and a torchlight procession against recent anti-Christian violence.

    “The existing decree will be revised,” Djoko Suyanto said. In its existing form, it delegates the power to issue building permits for places of worship to individual regencies (districts). This has led to discrimination towards Christians who face increasing difficulties when they apply because the law is enforced by local authorities, often controlled by Muslim extremists. Muslims, on the other hand, do not face such problems.

    The debate over religious freedom in Indonesia was revived by recent episodes of anti-Christian violence. Last Monday, unknown assailants stabbed Rev Afian Sihombing, a Protestant clergyman who heads a Protestant community in East Pondonk Bekasi Regency. He was attacked along with Rev Luspida Simanjutak, head of the Huria Batak Kristen Protestan (HKBP). She too was injured, to the face, the head and the back.

    Yesterday, hundreds of human rights activists took part in a torchlight procession, spontaneously joined by thousands of people.

    Inavah Wahid, daughter of the late President Abdurrahman Wahid, said, “We are all one nation and we strongly and endlessly struggle for the unity of the nation.” Now, events show that the “situation is getting worse” and that “the state appears to be powerless and unable to perform its duties.”

    In order to defuse tensions that are mounting in some sectors of civil society, West Java Governor Ahmad Heryawan told HKBP members that they would have a “permanent” place to worship.

    Bekasi Mayor Mochtar Muhammad said that city hall would provide them with two possible venues for their Church: a 2.500 m2 lot owned by the city administration or a 2,000 m2 lot owned by a private company that the city would buy for the Church. This way, according to the mayor, “security would be guaranteed.”


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    SBY is looking to destroy the premise of the pancasila... sad,... so sad... Indonesia used to be a beacon of tolerance in the Islamic world... not anymore...
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    Muslims can't seem to get themselves off this bedrock of close minded xenophobia because they do not have the will to say to their leaders, "Excuse me, Mr. Imam? I think you're ****ing wrong."

    Thats Islam's biggest problem. The unwillingness of its scholars, its leaders, to acknowledge that their understanding of Islam is flawed. And that the Qur'an, really, is a product of an old and violent arab culture that cannot necessarily be applied so literally in the modern world. Modern Islam is oppressive not only to those they consider infidels, but also to muslims that do not share their believes. There are major cases of persecution against islamic sects that do not conform to the Sunni interpretation of Islam in Indonesia.

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