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More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

TurtleDude said:
I tire of class envy and spite being concealed by this crap that you all want to jack up taxes to "help society". And I am in the top 1% whether you like it or not
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Don't be so stingy with your money. Share it with those who really need it. It might even alleviate your stomach pains and let you sleep better these long cold nights.

ricksfolly
 
FederalRepublic said:
It worked in 2006 and 2008, why not keep on running the same play.
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Maybe because its true. In 2006 we ran on it because Bush took us into Iraq while lying about it. In 2008, he got us into a recession where we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. Something needed to be done and we could have the same old guy, doing the same old crap of cutting taxes for the rich, taking us into a war we didnt belong, his irrisponsiblity causing us to get attacked on 9/11. Not even mentioning how are standing in the world fell considerably because we had such an asshole as Prez. Cowboy Diplomacy never works. You know for all the talk about how Obama is a soft Prez, as I recall, Bush is the one who got attacked less than a year being in office. Obama, no attacks yet. Thank you very much.
 
ricksfolly said:
Don't be so stingy with your money. Share it with those who really need it. It might even alleviate your stomach pains and let you sleep better these long cold nights.

ricksfolly
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Government ≠ Charity
 
jkohn51192 said:
Obnoxious Obama isnt raising taxes on the middle class. He wants to leave the tax cuts for the middle class, and tax the richest top 2% in America.
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the president wants...

LOL!

then why didn't he?

because he had to defer so the opposition wouldn't scare crap outta folks, depressing dems' polls?

regardless of what obnoxious obama wants, the REALITY is that taxes ARE going up on ALL americans by a whopper, beginning in just about 89 days

campaign on THAT

see ya in a month
 
j-mac said:
Yes. And what were the circumstances at that time?



Yep, a war Obama is not intent on winning. You libs are amazing. You hounded Bush for the entire 8 years over war time spending, when during that time this excuse of yours here, would have never flown......:lamo



See here is the big lie. You say that the Bush tax cuts were only for the rich people, then in almost the same breath you talk of extending the tax cuts for the middle class...:shock: It really is nothing but class warfare crap.



Obama has had more deficit spending in his first 20 months than ALL Presidents prior combined!!!!!!


j-mac
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Let me see if I've got this right.

Wall Street goes on a drunken binge from 2001 to the crash in 2008. The Street is spurred by the removal of most regulations and by the creation of new financial devices like derivatives and credit default swaps. One hedge fund manager, a derivatives specialist, estimates that about two percent of the Street people who use derivatives really understand them. But no difference. You can use these devices and others like them to roll over deals like sub prime mortgages and sell them to the next customer -- and you take a big bonus as soon as the deals are made. The whole Ponzi-like scheme collapses in 2008. Some 8.5 million jobs are lost in 2008 and 2009 alone and several million people lose their homes. But the feds come to the rescue with a $700 billion payout in 2008, no strings attached. Wall Street recovers and in 2009 is again giving billions in bonuses. Now here's where it gets confusing ... Obama is the one responsible for all the jobs lost?

Ok, so let me also get something straight, Obama gets out of Iraq(the unjust war), and Obama tries to finish the job responsible( because the last prez fked up and left early) and Obama is still getting hounded by deficit spending? ( We wouldnt have had to do this if Bush would have finished it in the first place)


Class warfare? So what were the bush tax cuts if they helped the richest 2% of people the most? Was it not class warfare? Borrow another trillion from our grandchildren( me & my children) so that we can give rich people more money? I don't think so.
 
TurtleDude said:
More nonsense from the hypocritical left. Get this fact straight--I don't buy into the leftwing Bull poop that individuals should be sacrificed for the leftwing version of "the greater good"

I tire of class envy and spite being concealed by this crap that you all want to jack up taxes to "help society". And I am in the top 1% whether you like it or not and I tire of people like you telling me what I can afford and your crap that the obama tax hikes is only going to result in a 2% decrease in my income is not just stupid it is so inaccurate as to brand you incompetent to even discuss this subject
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lol...i'm sure you are, and i'm sorry you "tire" of class envy. seems to me you really feel it necessary to bring up your income. why is that, i wonder?
 
jkohn51192 said:
Ok, so let me also get something straight, Obama gets out of Iraq(the unjust war)...
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You, um, DO realize that the exit strategy for Iraq was put in place by Bush... right? That Obama simply followed through with it? That it wsn't 'his' idea?

If you're going to give Obama credit for the exit strategy in Iraq, I'm guessing you go along with Pelosi when she called the 'Bush Tax Cuts', the 'Obama Middle Class Tax Cuts' & at the same time, called for ending the 'Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy'... whcih were both just the original 'Bush tax Cuts'.
 
why did the party punt?

why did obama ESCALATE his war, OBAMA'S WAR, in afghanistan?

have you read what WOODWARD revealed about OBAMA'S WAR?

is all that BUSH'S FAULT too?

the cluelessness is exceeded only by the cowardliness
 
The Prof said:
the president wants...

LOL!

then why didn't he?

because he had to defer so the opposition wouldn't scare crap outta folks, depressing dems' polls?

regardless of what obnoxious obama wants, the REALITY is that taxes ARE going up on ALL americans by a whopper, beginning in just about 89 days

campaign on THAT

see ya in a month
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Taxes are going up for all Americans in a month, why? Because the republicans are holding the Middle class hostage. You keep blaming this on dems, but whats stopping dems from voting on this? 1 or 2 members in their caucus and the whole friken republican caucus, thats who.
 
Whovian said:
You, um, DO realize that the exit strategy for Iraq was put in place by Bush... right? That Obama simply followed through with it? That it wsn't 'his' idea?

If you're going to give Obama credit for the exit strategy in Iraq, I'm guessing you go along with Pelosi when she called the 'Bush Tax Cuts', the 'Obama Middle Class Tax Cuts' & at the same time, called for ending the 'Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy'... whcih were both just the original 'Bush tax Cuts'.
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You need to really get your facts staight. The Obama tax cuts, pelosi if reffering to, are the ones obama gave 95% of all working families, he used that crappy ol stimulus bill to give it to em.
 
the prof said:
why did the party punt?

Why did obama escalate his war, obama's war, in afghanistan?

Have you read what woodward revealed about obama's war?

Is all that bush's fault too?

The cluelessness is exceeded only by the cowardliness
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obama's war? Are u ********* kidding me? Are you out of your ******* mind? Bush is the one that left afghanistan for iraq. You really need to get your **** straight mister because bush left afghanistan for iraq, letting the taliban come back, losing the truth of the afghan people, and now the situation is so bad there, that we had to go back in and make it right. So please prof, don't give me this bs about obama's war.
 
jkohn51192 said:
Obnoxious Obama isnt raising taxes on the middle class. He wants to leave the tax cuts for the middle class, and tax the richest top 2% in America. Please, quit spreading lies and get your facts straight.
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Nice try but it will fall on deaf ears and blind spots...
 
ricksfolly said:
Don't be so stingy with your money. Share it with those who really need it. It might even alleviate your stomach pains and let you sleep better these long cold nights.

ricksfolly
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I do-I give more to charity than you probably make. It goes directly to people who need it rather than buying the votes of envious spiteful losers who blindly vote dem out of hate for the rich. When you have done as much as I have then you will be in a position to lecture me as to my money and how I spend it.
 
liblady said:
lol...i'm sure you are, and i'm sorry you "tire" of class envy. seems to me you really feel it necessary to bring up your income. why is that, i wonder?
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I tire of your rants about the rich. I bring it up to show that I know what I am talking about when the envious claim that tax hikes won't "hurt the rich" or that the rich "dont need" their money--a constant claim from the parasite side of the debate
 
TurtleDude said:
I do-I give more to charity than you probably make. It goes directly to people who need it rather than buying the votes of envious spiteful losers who blindly vote dem out of hate for the rich. When you have done as much as I have then you will be in a position to lecture me as to my money and how I spend it.
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Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Your stomach will be the final judge.

ricksfolly
 
jkohn51192 said:
Yeah, your on the top 1% and here on this forum, I dont think so. Chances are you wish you were in the top 2% making a million dollars a year. Anyway, even if you were, we proved that first off, the Bush Tax Cuts don't work as well as the Clinton Tax cuts when it comes to jobs. Clinton = 23 million in 8 years, Bush = 3 million in 8 years. Sorry, we don't care that your not making that extra 50,000 a year. We all have to pay taxes, and in America, you pay taxes according to your ability to pay. In the 1950's under Eisenhower it was like that, and you conservatives were just fine. So please, quit your complaining.
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1) you don't know who I am and you just joined this board yet you feel a need to claim I am lying about my status. That is lame and rather stupid.

2) you cannot prove cause and effect

3) I don't care if you care what I make-class envy is obviously your main motivation

4) and you need to start paying your fair share of what you use and stop whining that those who are more ambitious and talented than you are need to carry your share of your load
 
ricksfolly said:
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Your stomach will be the final judge.

ricksfolly
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my stomach says your posts are rather stupid

My brain says worse but I don't want to upset the mods:mrgreen:

maybe you would be happier in life if you stopped worried about what others make and scheming to take more from them and rather focus your efforts on being a better person and a more prosperous tax payer
 
jkohn51192 said:
Bush is the one who got attacked less than a year being in office. Obama, no attacks yet. Thank you very much.
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That's because Bush listened to Cheney, NEOCONS, and invaded a helpless Iraq. There's still millions of Sunni refuges in nearby countries, but just mentioning it is political dynamite.

ricksfolly
 
TurtleDude said:
I tire of your rants about the rich. I bring it up to show that I know what I am talking about when the envious claim that tax hikes won't "hurt the rich" or that the rich "dont need" their money--a constant claim from the parasite side of the debate
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Debating with one of the few 2 percent super rich (if true) isn't envy, it's curiosity about a breed very few of us know anything about, curios like a five legged horse or a two headed man.

ricksfolly
 
jkohn51192 said:
You need to really get your facts staight. The Obama tax cuts, pelosi if reffering to, are the ones obama gave 95% of all working families, he used that crappy ol stimulus bill to give it to em.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/21/obama-tax-cuts-will-be-fe_n_168785.html

Obama says his signature "Making Work Pay" tax break will affect 95 percent of working families. The $400 credit for individuals is to be doled out through the rest of the year. Couples are slated to get up to $800. Most workers are to see about a $13 per week increase in their take-home pay. In 2010, the credit would be about $7.70 a week, if it is spread over the entire year.
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wow, thanks a lot
 
jkohn51192 said:
obama's war? Are u ********* kidding me? Are you out of your ******* mind? Bush is the one that left afghanistan for iraq. You really need to get your **** straight mister because bush left afghanistan for iraq, letting the taliban come back, losing the truth of the afghan people, and now the situation is so bad there, that we had to go back in and make it right. So please prof, don't give me this bs about obama's war.
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Obama's Afghanistan Plan: 30,000 Troops, No Endless Committment

"june deadliest month in afghanistan:" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/eveningnews/main6631512.shtml

"july deadliest month in afghanistan:" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/30/world/main6727036.shtml

so much avoidance of responsibility

wow
 
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jkohn51192 said:
whats stopping dems from voting on this? 1 or 2 members in their caucus and the whole friken republican caucus, thats who.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42330.html

At least 38 House Democrats have now come out publicly in favor of at least a short-term extension of current income tax rates for couples earning more than $250,000 and individuals over the $200,000 threshhold — bucking calls from Obama and Pelosi to let taxes increase on wealthier Americans.
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Dem letter: Keep tax cuts for rich - John Maggs - POLITICO.com

Forty-seven House Democrats broke with Democratic leaders Tuesday to call for an extension of current capital gains and dividends tax rates for the wealthy.
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c'mon, barry, man up

show a little character

try at least to look like a president
 
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ricksfolly said:
Debating with one of the few 2 percent super rich (if true) isn't envy, it's curiosity about a breed very few of us know anything about, curios like a five legged horse or a two headed man.

ricksfolly
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really? you don't have a family doctor? Or meet the guy who owns the car dealership you buy your cars at? Just about everyone I work with -at least the attorneys-and most of my classmates from Law School. 2% Isn't a millionaire given to make the top 1% you have to make about 350K a year.
 
apdst said:
Oh, I dunno, giving $2 billion to Brazil for offshore drilling, fewer entitlements, cut spending on the study of the effect of cocaine on monkies, deer underpasses, turtle tunnels, Congress' salaries, government funded abortions, cash for clunkers.

Just a few things off the top of my head.

Where would you do some cutting?
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OOOH FUN!!!

1. immediately cease payouts from the second 'stimulus' and kill the others more recently hatched before they fully get off the ground. use the 'proceeds' to pay back the debts they incurred when we started to fund them.

2. we don't need an Air Force. get rid of that, fold it's necessary functions back into the Army and the Navy, and retain it's above-atmosphere functions for what is left of NASA.

3. on that note, cut everything that doesn't have a defense-related function in NASA, and place it under the DOD.

4. all agricultural and 'renewable energy' subsidies. while we're at it, all subsidies in general with the exception (again) of anything related immediately to defense or law enforcement.

5. sell back GM, let her succeed or fail on her own. privatize Freddie and Fannie, and let them suffer the same. if possible, i would like to see us get some of our money back from those last two fraudulent enterprises.

6. the TARP funds that just went into a slush fund - sieze them, use them to pay down debt, do the same for further TARP proceeds as they become available.

7. repeal Obamacare and turn Medicare into a HSA/voucher-style program; offer a privatization option for Social Security, and means-test benefits rather than paying out according to pay in.

8. cut welfare programs that serve to trap generations in poverty

9. cut the department of education

10. cut these insane three-year-long unemployment benefits that serve only to keep people out of work

11. i could go on and on; but most of these things could be covered with the blanket "enforce the 10th Amendment". if it is in Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution (or one of the Amendments), Congress doesn't have the authority to appropriate and spend money on it.
 
You're better at the top of your list CP. I hope as you age you learn more, but you really know too little about people. If GM failed, the reprecussions on those in office would be far more than they will be now. Our leaders know this, and what you call for would never happen no matter who was in office. And being on unemployment isn't really keeping any real number from getting work. That's more a myth on the part of the complaining class.

But, I would be interested in hearing from you in 20 or 30 years.
 
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