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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read slower. Not due to tax cuts. You have those tax cuts in place right now, and yet jobs were lost. We have history to show other times with other tax cuts and the economy did not improve. We have studies showing that tax cuts do not create jobs. Slow down, read slowly, think about it, address the rebuttal.
    Jobs are being lost in droves because business doesn't do well in uncertain times. Obama is on a spending binge like never seen. He's about to hit them with unknown additional tax burdens due to his healthcare bill and God only knows what else he's got in store for them.

    After the 2006 elections when Democrats made big gains, and again in 2008, business started running for the hills. Once businesses feels comfortable again about the environment they're operating in, jobs will start to return.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Jobs are being lost in droves because business doesn't do well in uncertain times. Obama is on a spending binge like never seen. He's about to hit them with unknown additional tax burdens due to his healthcare bill and God only knows what else he's got in store for them.

    After the 2006 elections when Democrats made big gains, and again in 2008, business started running for the hills. Once businesses feels comfortable again about the environment they're operating in, jobs will start to return.
    Even if true, taxes don't change that. But, mostly, what you blame for uncertainty is false. The concern of business is customers and sales. All other things will be handled if there are customers and sales. They don't make business decisions concerning employment based on which party is in office. Hell, both parties work for them. From their point of view, there's not really much difference. Business will feel comfortable when people start spending their money.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Once businesses feels comfortable again about the environment they're operating in, jobs will start to return.
    Hmmm, so the lack of jobs in our Great Recession is not due to the economic chaos the housing bubble/burst caused but is instead due to Democrats in congress weakening investor confidence? Interesting. I certainly haven't heard that one yet.

    As for healthcare, how would you recommend fixing the issues, such as little kids not being able to get insured with preexisting conditions and companies dropping policies holders who develop cancer, without it costing more money?

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I totally understand, people keeping more of their money and deciding how to spend it doesn't impact our GDP, got it. Higher GDP doesn't mean more jobs, got it! Higher demand doesn't increase jobs, got it!

    What we have now is the threat of increased taxes and no one knows how much Obamacare will cost. As a business person would you hire more people now? in the meantime the people that are working have more take home pay. That is a good thing.
    Obama care may well cost less. We'll see, but you're changing the subject again. This is about taxes create jobs.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even if true, taxes don't change that. But, mostly, what you blame for uncertainty is false. The concern of business is customers and sales. All other things will be handled if there are customers and sales. They don't make business decisions concerning employment based on which party is in office. Hell, both parties work for them. From their point of view, there's not really much difference. Business will feel comfortable when people start spending their money.
    You are right, raising taxes gives people incentive to spend more money.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wonder why liberals don't send more of their own money to D.C. instead of forcing others to do it. You think the govt. needs the money more than the individual? Prove it, send more of yours instead of just what is required.
    I do send more than is required. And in some cases, the government does need the money more than the individual. How does an individual pay for law enforcement? I don't think that having each person pay tuition for their child would be in the best interests of the country because not everyone would be able to afford the tuition. I don't think that it is practical to have a toll on every road that I travel and having the government collect taxes and pay for that road for all of us to use is a good thing. The government should make sure that companies are not poisoning me with bad products or pollution. I can go on, but I don't think it will influence your thinking on this subject.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are right, raising taxes gives people incentive to spend more money.
    For most, there won't be enough to have any effect at all. And business won't ever see enough of a cut or increase to make them do anything.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    I do send more than is required. And in some cases, the government does need the money more than the individual. How does an individual pay for law enforcement? I don't think that having each person pay tuition for their child would be in the best interests of the country because not everyone would be able to afford the tuition. I don't think that it is practical to have a toll on every road that I travel and having the government collect taxes and pay for that road for all of us to use is a good thing. The government should make sure that companies are not poisoning me with bad products or pollution. I can go on, but I don't think it will influence your thinking on this subject.
    Individuals pay for law enforcement with their local taxes, not the Federal Taxes. Children pay tuition to their local schools not the Federal Govt. local Schools are paid for by property taxes which are local, not Federal. Toll roads fund highways just like the excise taxes on your gasoline and diesel fuel.

    What would influence my thinking would be providing actual facts as to where the federal dollars go and how much waste, fraud, and abuse there is in that spending.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wonder why liberals don't send more of their own money to D.C. instead of forcing others to do it. You think the govt. needs the money more than the individual? Prove it, send more of yours instead of just what is required.
    I could've sworn Obama, Pelosi and Reid all pay taxes. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even if true, taxes don't change that. But, mostly, what you blame for uncertainty is false. The concern of business is customers and sales. All other things will be handled if there are customers and sales. They don't make business decisions concerning employment based on which party is in office. Hell, both parties work for them. From their point of view, there's not really much difference. Business will feel comfortable when people start spending their money.
    I disagree completely. Companies operate on margin. Risk and expansion is based almost solely on being able to project maintaining within a certain margin. Margin is affected greatly by taxes, as well as other factors like sales, operating expenses, the financial condition of associated partners (companies), etc.

    If you raise taxes, you affect all areas that ultimately can effect margin. Once risk is unacceptable based on the margin of return, you cut costs and labor. If those tax burdens are expected to possibly increase, you prepare for further cuts.

    That's where we are. That's EXACTLY how my company has operated the past three years. And given, at the very least, a gridlocked governement that can't throw new surprises at us, we're preparing to start investing and expanding once again.

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