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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I thought I made clear that by focusing In mean focusing your numerical research on. What do they do and what little money they get, and how does it factually effect the economy. Not what you or others think it does. But what can you show?
    Whatever they do is their choice which you seem to have a problem with but regardless it puts money into the economy directly or indirectly and that seems to scare liberals who want to control how people spend their own money. Why do you have a problem with the individual keeping more of what they earn including you?

    What can I show? I can show that govt revenue went up right after the tax cuts as did Job creation. You, of course, don't seem to believe that had anything to do with job creation. There in lies the difference between us. Regardless there is no downside to people keeping more of what they earn unless you are a liberal elite who needs individual wealth for your control

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

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    Whatever they do is their choice which you seem to have a problem with but regardless it puts money into the economy directly or indirectly and that seems to scare liberals who want to control how people spend their own money. Why do you have a problem with the individual keeping more of what they earn including you?

    What can I show? I can show that govt revenue went up right after the tax cuts as did Job creation. You, of course, don't seem to believe that had anything to do with job creation. There in lies the difference between us. Regardless there is no downside to people keeping more of what they earn unless you are a liberal elite who needs individual wealth for your control
    See, you're bouncing all over agian. I have no such problem. I'm speaking to the issue of the economy. And you can only show it went up at a few select times, not the entire history of the country (I've noted this for you before). Nor can you show tax cuts are the reason. and you ignore that the evidence that contradictions you, like the current state of the economy with tax cuts in place, or the rest of our history.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

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    Haven't been paying any attention, I see, check out Paul Ryan's Roadmap for America. Much of the Republican agenda is repealing the far left legislation and putting people back to work by re-focusing on the private sector where the jobs have to be created.
    A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans
    Ron Paul is a politician, doesn't know didily squat about economics. Repealing the far left agenda is really all they've got, and since the economy has started to pick up, making drastic changes could stop the progress. As for putting more capital into new private job sectors, even in good times records show only 5 percent last over a year.

    Point is... There are no simple solutions, even the experts are baffled, and you want to believe a politician can fix everything... Give me a break!!!

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    See, you're bouncing all over agian. I have no such problem. I'm speaking to the issue of the economy. And you can only show it went up at a few select times, not the entire history of the country (I've noted this for you before). Nor can you show tax cuts are the reason. and you ignore that the evidence that contradictions you, like the current state of the economy with tax cuts in place, or the rest of our history.
    It has only happened four times in history when tax RATES were cut. I believe people keeping more of their own money is a good thing, apparently you don't. We disagree, so be it.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Ron Paul is a politician, doesn't know didily squat about economics. Repealing the far left agenda is really all they've got, and since the economy has started to pick up, making drastic changes could stop the progress. As for putting more capital into new private job sectors, even in good times records show only 5 percent last over a year.

    Point is... There are no simple solutions, even the experts are baffled, and you want to believe a politician can fix everything... Give me a break!!!

    ricksfolly
    LOL, I want a politician to fix everything? Where did I ever say that? I want the politicians out of it, period. Let the people keep more of what they earn, even you. I really don't care. I know that when I keep more money I give more to charities. Local and state govt. can do more to solve social problems than a bureaucrat in D.C. If they don't then the people need to react. It is easier to kick out state govt. than bureaucrats in D.C.

    There are very simple solutions, slash the size of govt. and return all social programs to the states. Pretty simple.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It has only happened four times in history when tax RATES were cut. I believe people keeping more of their own money is a good thing, apparently you don't. We disagree, so be it.
    Not that simple. You shouldn't speak for others. I also believe in being fiscally responsible, and that means paying for what you get.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not new. We're not following suit, we've nearly always had some form of a progressive tax. Again, as most countries always have had. And no one has made any claim about redistributing anything. This is just more of the old unoriginal scare tactic your side is using right now. Don't confuse it with fact.
    Oh my.

    Boo, you're a lost cause.
    It's not some obscure theory for me. It's crystal clear. I've lived half my life between socialist countries and North America; and I spent a number of years in Kanuckistan. I used to be like you... it took years to make the conversion... but one by one... if you truly seek the greatest good for the greatest number, conservatism wins all day long.

    Enjoy the journey, all it takes is an open mind.

    We haven't always had progressive taxation. Taxing folks 7% on 10 million in 1913 doesn't leave a lot for progression.


    You think there is any correlation here?

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not that simple. You shouldn't speak for others. I also believe in being fiscally responsible, and that means paying for what you get.
    How about individuals paying for what they need instead of what they want? you think sending more money to Washington makes the fiscally responsible? You sstill don't get it and probably never will. Some are simply very naive and gullible buying what they are todl instead of actually thinking.

    It is very simple, put all social programs back in the hands of the state and local governments. Take SS and Medicare off budget and cut the size of the govt. back to what our founders envisioned? That would make all liberals one term Representatives and irrelevant.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about individuals paying for what they need instead of what they want? you think sending more money to Washington makes the fiscally responsible? You sstill don't get it and probably never will. Some are simply very naive and gullible buying what they are todl instead of actually thinking.

    It is very simple, put all social programs back in the hands of the state and local governments. Take SS and Medicare off budget and cut the size of the govt. back to what our founders envisioned? That would make all liberals one term Representatives and irrelevant.
    Need? Want? who decides which is which? By what standard?

    I call for us to cut spending and raise taxes. How much and what of each is something that needs to be hammered out, but that should be our focus. BVut I will give you one thing, you can't be serious about cutitng spending unless you discuss SS and Medicare/medicaid, but I would add the military. As for the founding fathers, I'm not sure any of us actually know what they would support if they were here today.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh my.

    Boo, you're a lost cause.
    It's not some obscure theory for me. It's crystal clear. I've lived half my life between socialist countries and North America; and I spent a number of years in Kanuckistan. I used to be like you... it took years to make the conversion... but one by one... if you truly seek the greatest good for the greatest number, conservatism wins all day long.

    Enjoy the journey, all it takes is an open mind.

    We haven't always had progressive taxation. Taxing folks 7% on 10 million in 1913 doesn't leave a lot for progression.


    You think there is any correlation here?

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    Yes, we've pretty much always had some form of progressive tax. Check out the tax imposed for the civil war for example. It was progressive.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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