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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    Technically yes. In practice no. The system is rigged by partisanship, lobbyists and a media intent on furthering the divide.

    There are too many systems in place to stop us from actually being able to effect change for the statement "we are the government" to be true. Complacency can be blamed on the populous allowing us to get here, but ~40 years of bad law/policies have effectively removed us from the loop.
    Honestly, most of it hasn't been that bad. We still do quite well, and little has really gone to hell so to speak. But i wouldn't excuse us too much. We still hold the power, and we can still exercise it. No matter why we choose not to, it is still our choice.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    It's amazing aid for our struggling economy is not a priority for all Americans and politicians. I could see if aid to small businesses would cause more harm however it seems it will not. If you have to spend- spend.

    It's up to us the citizens to spend as well. We need jobs staying domestic. We need businesses selling products with continued buyers. We need citizens working so we can repay the monies needed in order to rebuild our economic state.

    What America doesn't need logically are politicians that feel, doing nothing but yelling about how our government is too big while spending is out of control, interfering with the stabilization of our economy.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even if true, is that the only history there is? And were they any other factors?

    Too many hold too little standard for evidence and this makes them tools for those who use a little truth to prove a large lie. you have to look at all periods of tax rates, high and low, and see what happens, and then you have to look at other factors of the time.

    BTW, there's a thread on Reagan's time in another area. You might want to look at that.
    All you have to do is look at the top of this page, post #54 for proof.

    But I'm sure you'll do your best to wiggle out and claim something crazy, like it was Carter that actually brought the prosperity of the 80s.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that's our fault. We accept this, demand little more, and get what we tollerate. And even when we get angery, we turn to stupid and not to anything resembling a better option. Again, we hold the power, but refuse to use it.
    Oh, you optimist you. Absolutely true in theory, but think about it on practical terms. We are not a third-world country and our military is simply not going to coup for the people unless something absolutely unthinkable occurs. Furthermore, the military would and could easily destroy any coup it doesn't agree with nomatter how many Americans have shotguns and hunting rifles. This means that power to divert this nation into a more positive direction is going to come from votes, which is what would be best anyway of course. But in a system where the one we hate the least is elected, we are stuck hoping that one of them will defy the obvious corporate path that immediate gratification delivers.

    I don't think it is about a refusal. It's about ignorance and an inability to strike correct balance between individual liberty and national security and power.
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have another study elsewhere that shows the opposite. So, it is not at all settled. And if you look at it historically, you can chart that taxes have had almost no effect on either jobs or the economy. These things too have been posted before on these threads.
    The only correlation I can see is... Lower taxes, more take home money, more money more buying, more buying more products, more projects more employment.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Government cash infusion into companies doesn't guarantee more jobs. That decision has to be made by the company brass. New cash would probably be used to pay pressing bills.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Too many hold too little standard for evidence
    yes, which is why the more one talks (LOL!) the more one must LINK

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    meanwhile, in the non-academic and non-hypothetical REAL world, dominated by linkable happenings, where blah blah blah is just another fool's hot air, THIRTY EIGHT in pelosi's temporary place have signed on for tax cuts for the rich

    Nancy Pelosi keeps losing Democrats on tax cuts - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

    party on?

    progressives?

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This means that power to divert this nation into a more positive direction is going to come from votes, which is what would be best anyway of course. But in a system where the one we hate the least is elected, we are stuck hoping that one of them will defy the obvious corporate path that immediate gratification delivers.
    Congress may have been that way at one time. Now it's just inane statements, buzzwords, and a battle of gotchas... Recalcitrant school children...

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