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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

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    Did you even go to college? Look up John Locke and let me know when your foot is out of your mouth.
    John Locke died in 1702 and this country was created in 1776 so he was hardly a Founder. Go back to class and this time read the book instead of hoping that you learn by osmosis.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    That's what you guys don't realize. You are liberals and you don't even know it.
    Sounds like my statement went sailing over your head... not overly surprising I'm afraid.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    John Locke died in 1702 and this country was created in 1776 so he was hardly a Founder. Go back to class and this time read the book instead of hoping that you learn by osmosis.
    1704, actually... here's somethign interesting about Locke...
    In 1671 he was a major investor in the English slave-trade through the Royal African Company, as well as through his participation in drafting the Fundamental Constitution of the Carolinas while Shaftesbury's secretary, which established a feudal aristocracy and gave a master absolute power over his slaves.
    For example, Martin Cohen notes that as a secretary to the Council of Trade and Plantations (1673–4) and a member of the Board of Trade (1696–1700) Locke was, in fact, "one of just half a dozen men who created and supervised both the colonies and their iniquitous systems of servitude".
    Some see his statements on unenclosed property as having been intended to justify the displacement of the Native Americans. Because of his opposition to aristocracy and slavery in his major writings, he is accused of hypocrisy and racism, or of caring only for the liberty of English capitalists.
    sweet.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    John Locke died in 1702 and this country was created in 1776 so he was hardly a Founder. Go back to class and this time read the book instead of hoping that you learn by osmosis.
    "Locke was an important political thinker, whose Second Treatise on Government is credited with influencing Thomas Jefferson's drafting of the Declaration of Independence. He also influenced other protagonists of the American Revolution including Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton."

    Locke, John

    Please, go enroll in community college and take a history class before posting again. Debating about politics is educational and interesting. Debating about whether John Locke was a liberal and influential to the Founding Fathers is a joke and a waste of my time.
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    "Locke was an important political thinker, whose Second Treatise on Government is credited with influencing Thomas Jefferson's drafting of the Declaration of Independence. He also influenced other protagonists of the American Revolution including Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton."

    Locke, John

    Please, go enroll in community college and take a history class before posting again. Debating about politics is educational and interesting. Debating about whether John Locke was a liberal and influential to the Founding Fathers is a joke and a waste of my time.
    Better go back to studying history, did our Founders support a massive Central Govt? Never debated that he was a liberal but that he wasn't one of the founders. His influence wasn't what you think nor was much of it encompassed in the Constitution. Promote Domestic Welfare would have been changed to Provide for Domestic Welfare with a liberal in charge.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

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    His influence wasn't what you think nor was much of it encompassed in the Constitution.
    Haha. I'll run that by one of my professors just so I can see him laugh.

    I'm still trying to understand your point. Are you saying the Founding Fathers weren't liberals? Are you saying that the ideas of change, progression, equality and less government in people's lives aren't liberal ideas? Are saying that liberals haven't played a significant role in shaping this great country?

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    "Locke was an important political thinker, whose Second Treatise on Government is credited with influencing Thomas Jefferson's drafting of the Declaration of Independence. He also influenced other protagonists of the American Revolution including Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton."

    Locke, John

    Please, go enroll in community college and take a history class before posting again. Debating about politics is educational and interesting. Debating about whether John Locke was a liberal and influential to the Founding Fathers is a joke and a waste of my time.
    Yes, that certainly proves that all the Founding Fathers were what you call 'liberals'.

    I wonder if he (a slave trader, owner and promoter) influenced Jefferson in the part where he wanted to abolish slavery (the part the South made them remove).

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Haha. I'll run that by one of my professors just so I can see him laugh.

    I'm still trying to understand your point. Are you saying the Founding Fathers weren't liberals? Are you saying that the ideas of change, progression, equality and less government in people's lives aren't liberal ideas? Are saying that liberals haven't played a significant role in shaping this great country?
    Not by today's standards, but everyone has a little liberal in them. Think that liberals believe in personal responsibility, small central govt, individual wealth creation, free enterprise and capitalism? If your professor is putting this bs into your head I doubt seriously he has much credibility and I assure you that adopting his philosophy will assure total and complete failure on your part.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not by today's standards, but everyone has a little liberal in them. Think that liberals believe in personal responsibility, small central govt, individual wealth creation, free enterprise and capitalism? If your professor is putting this bs into your head I doubt seriously he has much credibility and I assure you that adopting his philosophy will assure total and complete failure on your part.
    Since when has a "liberal" politician tried to abolish capitalism and make the economy completely state owned? And since when has a "conservative" politician actually tried to reduce the size of government and reduce government spending?

    As for my professors who "aren't qualified", lol, maybe I should just go by what ma pappy taught me when we used ta hunt and fish bout dem damn librals!

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yes, that certainly proves that all the Founding Fathers were what you call 'liberals'.

    I wonder if he (a slave trader, owner and promoter) influenced Jefferson in the part where he wanted to abolish slavery (the part the South made them remove).
    I wonder if it was the conservatives or the liberals who wanted to abolish slavery?

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