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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    Granted... the group you belong too and/or advocate for; pays federal taxes on their booze and tobacco. Thats just about all the TAX they pay the feds. But then it kinda goes against the grain to pay income taxes on money the govt gives you... from others who earn it for you.
    Do you believe 47% fall into that category? If so, the entire gap thing is getting even larger than I think.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you believe 47% fall into that category? If so, the entire gap thing is getting even larger than I think.

    That's what happens when the populace discovers that they can vote themselves riches from the treasury....Oh, and it's also the downfall of society.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    Granted... the group you belong too and/or advocate for; pays federal taxes on their booze and tobacco. Thats just about all the TAX they pay the feds. But then it kinda goes against the grain to pay income taxes on money the govt gives you... from others who earn it for you.
    If you fill out your 1040 correctly, and don't make any mistakes, the IRS auditor will figure it all out for you.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    If you fill out your 1040 correctly, and don't make any mistakes, the IRS auditor will figure it all out for you.

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    Has anyone noticed that Obama supporters don't have any successes they can hang their hat on over the past two years thus can only divert from what they have failed to do and the disaster they have created? We have an election in a week (I already voted early) and Democrats can offer nothing to vote for as they continue to play the class warfare card and continue to keep people dependent for the source of their power. Let's see, if I were one of those 47% that don't pay any Federal Income taxes wonder how I would vote on issues of raising taxes on others while keeping my benefits in tact? Hmmm

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's what happens when the populace discovers that they can vote themselves riches from the treasury....Oh, and it's also the downfall of society.

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    How do you think dems buy the votes of the 6-7 posters on this forum who spend hours clamoring for tax increases on "the rich"



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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Has anyone noticed that Obama supporters don't have any successes they can hang their hat on over the past two years thus can only divert from what they have failed to do and the disaster they have created?
    Probably true in part, but the Reps don't have any solutions either. Just the usual tax cuts, and scatter-shot blame.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Probably true in part, but the Reps don't have any solutions either. Just the usual tax cuts, and scatter-shot blame.

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    Haven't been paying any attention, I see, check out Paul Ryan's Roadmap for America. Much of the Republican agenda is repealing the far left legislation and putting people back to work by re-focusing on the private sector where the jobs have to be created.

    http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Libs such as you try to create a facade that society needs punitive tax rates
    Calling taxation "punitive" begs the question - you're trying to evade having to defend your position by simply defining the alternative as a punishment. I could play the same game, insisting that "cons such as you" insist that society needs "punitive tax cuts." But I would rather discuss this on a rational level - if you're not up for it, just say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    for the "good of society" or for "economic viability" when in reality, your true motivation is to punish the rich out of some warped sense of "social justice".
    I can tell you my motivations if you're interested, but I don't see how they're relevant to a policy discussion - especially if you're just going to pretend you're telepathic and call me a liar with no basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This is why no matter what the evidence is you will continue to blather that tax cuts for people who already pay 40% of the federal income taxes while using less than a couple percent of the services paid for by those taxes aren't paying "enough".
    I haven't memorized the specific figures, so I can accept the general range you cite for the purposes of immediate discussion. But I think we can reasonably say that the problem stems from our approaching the issue from different standards: You seem to place greater value in the numerical rate than its effect on the lifestyle of the taxpayer. What, other than ego, is affected by half (or 60%, or 70%, or 80%) of a $500 million income being devoted to public responsibilities?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are impervious to reality because what Truly motivates you is a burning desire to either afflict the comfortable or to salve your own sense of hurt that you have totally failed to be successful.
    Feel free to ask me what my motives are, instead of wallowing in bitter ego-trip fantasies. But feel even freer to talk about the issues in a calm and civil way - we do much better by our country that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Years ago a political cartoon showed a donkey being fed hay by a rich plutocrat and a ragged looking tax payer at the other end holding a bucket that said Trickle down.
    I'm not sure of the context of the cartoon, but it seems about right. Trickle-down (aka, laissez-faire) is basically manorialism.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's what happens when the populace discovers that they can vote themselves riches from the treasury....Oh, and it's also the downfall of society.

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    People can't and don't do that. You guys have to stop drinking the koolaid.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People can't and don't do that. You guys have to stop drinking the koolaid.
    My, my, you really are naive IMO.

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