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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    that's stupid

    the chief of staff of the joint committee on taxation is wide awake

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nothing is exactly the same, nor have I claimed they are. But that doesn't make them unAmerican either.
    Ofcourse that alone wouldn't make them 'unAmerican'... What does raise questions about that is currently the policies they endorse, the political candidates they back with funding that they refuse to acknowledge where it comes from, and the course of "social justice" they wish to pursue. Their leaders are Marxists, and their membership for the most part are relegated to thuggery to further their goals.

    No they aren't. And no, it isn't. You can pay the tax.
    Oh, so now its a tax...When promoting this as a bill, and telling the American people that it must be rammed down their throats, all the demo's supporting it all the way up to Obama decried that it wasn't a tax, and pilloried those who said it was as spreading 'misinformation' about the bill. Now all the sudden it is a tax.

    You can get your own insurance.
    And God help you if your company drops it, or you have to change it in any manner, then you are tossed into the exchange.

    You can be responsible.
    Responsible, you mean like the 21 year old that opts to pay the $700 tax per year until he gets into an accident, then pick up coverage and make us pay the tab? Great.

    Just like driving without insurance, needing medicial care without insurance and the ability to pay, you hurt others, passing your cost on to others.
    The Auto insurance analogy is absurd and here is why...Driving in this country is a privilege, not required. Obama is requiring you to own insurance, it is unconstitutional.

    But, you are not forced any more than you have been.
    That is a lie. period.

    This concept is not new.
    If everything is so damned great with the agenda that Obama is jamming through, then tell me why the demo's running now are running away from it?

    One New York Democrat proclaims that he proudly opposed the federal government’s health care overhaul plan. Another one pledges, in the finest Tea Party spirit, to oppose any future financial bailouts. Still another has rolled out three Republicans in three separate commercials, all vouching for his credentials.

    Scott Murphy, an upstate congressman, says in an advertisement that he voted against his party’s wishes because he wants to cut the deficit. More Photos »
    But there is one word you will not hear mentioned in any of these campaign advertisements: Democrat.

    www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/nyregion/05dems.html
    Notice Joe, that isn't the American Thinker saying that, it's the NYTimes....Now what?

    Ummmm, . . . those people came to him hat in hand. They didn't have to do or take anything.
    He forced their hand with the Fiat nonsense....Remember this?

    WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Supreme Court has delayed the imminent sale of
    most of Chrysler's assets to a group led by Italian automaker Fiat.
    The justices issued a brief order Monday, just before a temporary stay issued by a lower court was to expire.
    Three Indiana state funds - representing police officers and teachers - filed an emergency appeal late Saturday asking the high court to intervene. Those lenders seek greater compensation for their share of Chrysler's nearly $7 billion in secured debt.

    High court delays sale of Chrysler assets to Fiat group – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
    Obama stole those companies, ignored contract law, then gave his union buddies the reins. Great, Yeah, that's American.....


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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one's being any more forced then they ever were. There is no centralized control of resources. business is still indeendent and individuals are still as free as they ever were. Nothing new is going on.
    If you want to know why there's so much anger in the country, it's because of garbage like this. Obama wants a single-payer health care system. That necessarily means forcing people who don't want to be a part of it to participate in it. Obama's plan of a cap & trade system would "necessarily" cause energy prices to skyrocket, so that people are forced to use wind & solar (and go the the government for subsidies). Can you honestly try to argue against that being a centralized control of resources? Sure, nothing to see here...move along now sheep.

    The fact that Obama didn't get what he wanted doesn't make him any less socialist.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    if you listen to key words instead of seeking meaning, you will always be easy to fool.
    Words mean things and, for the record, I'm not listening to key words and being fooled. I'm hearing key words and tuning the rest out because I already know what follows. You do exactly the same thing in every thread I've read thus far and I did not insinuate that you were a fool...

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ummmm, . . . those people came to him hat in hand. They didn't have to do or take anything.
    Yeah ??? Tell that to the GM bond holders, many of which were retired people relying on the bonds for their retirement and thousands of others had supposedly safe bonds in their 401k. These people's investments were stolen from them by Obama and given to the UAW.

    In one sense you are right, these people didn't have to do anything, but Obama and the union stole their retirement nest egg.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Words mean things and, for the record, I'm not listening to key words and being fooled. I'm hearing key words and tuning the rest out because I already know what follows. You do exactly the same thing in every thread I've read thus far and I did not insinuate that you were a fool...
    Yes, words mean things. but not anything you want them to mean. People string words toegther, not only in sentences but in paragraphs, and longer explinations. Ignoreing the context is to lie. Let me give an example;

    In the paly Much Ado about Nothing, Benedict is in a bit of courtship with Beatrice. In a conversation with her he says: "Enough, I am engaged." If we took the Beck model of dishonest discourse, Would could take that quote and say see, Benedict was playing with beatrice, what a jerk, he's already engaged. We'd be wrong. We would not have the context correct at all, missing the meaning of the conversation entirely. Benedict is actually agreeing to kill his freind for Beatrice. Quite different than our beckish reading of the quote.

    Context matters as well. words carry different meanings when placed in the context of a discussion. Pretending they don't is dishonest.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah ??? Tell that to the GM bond holders, many of which were retired people relying on the bonds for their retirement and thousands of others had supposedly safe bonds in their 401k. These people's investments were stolen from them by Obama and given to the UAW.

    In one sense you are right, these people didn't have to do anything, but Obama and the union stole their retirement nest egg.
    And that changes the facts how?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that changes the facts how?
    Do you believe the bond holders came to Obama "hat in hand" to demand he take their life savings away from them????

    These bonds were by law supposed to be guaranteed and fool proof, yet Obama took these retirees' money and gave it to the unions.

    You're actually ok with that ????

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do you believe the bond holders came to Obama "hat in hand" to demand he take their life savings away from them????

    These bonds were by law supposed to be guaranteed and fool proof, yet Obama took these retirees' money and gave it to the unions.

    You're actually ok with that ????
    it doesn't matter. GM did. And what happen to Bond holders happened the second GM could not longer remain viable. And keep in mind, GM worked out the detials:

    GM unveiled a proposal this week that would lay off 21,000 workers, streamline operations and give the government a majority stake in the company. The bondholders would not fare particularly well under the offering, which was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    All Eyes Turn to GM and Its Bondholders - washingtonpost.com

    And bondholders could have forced bankrupey, to which they may have fared worse. But the point is, GM worked this out, hat in hand, trying to save what they could.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    it doesn't matter. GM did. And what happen to Bond holders happened the second GM could not longer remain viable. And keep in mind, GM worked out the detials:

    GM unveiled a proposal this week that would lay off 21,000 workers, streamline operations and give the government a majority stake in the company. The bondholders would not fare particularly well under the offering, which was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    All Eyes Turn to GM and Its Bondholders - washingtonpost.com

    And bondholders could have forced bankrupey, to which they may have fared worse. But the point is, GM worked this out, hat in hand, trying to save what they could.
    OK, fine. You agree with Obama and say to the retirees "Screw you !"

    Good to know that you and Obama both believe in the old "let them eat cake" saying.

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