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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That's just plain silly
    Trickle-down economics is silly.

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    and oozes class envy
    If I were rich, I would be just as contemptuous of people who wanted to give me a tax cut in the middle of a recession. Of course, you're welcome to call my bluff.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Trickle-down economics is silly.



    If I were rich, I would be just as contemptuous of people who wanted to give me a tax cut in the middle of a recession. Of course, you're welcome to call my bluff.
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If I had wheels i'd be a trolley car
    Non sequiturs aside, trickle-down economics is the most ludicrous self-justification myth of the elite since racial hierarchy.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Non sequiturs aside, trickle-down economics is the most ludicrous self-justification myth of the elite since racial hierarchy.
    I guess you never figured out that in almost every system, the best and the brightest or the most talented and the most lucky always win.

    I prefer complete laissez faire-which I guess you would call trickle down

    those who push socialism fall into two categories

    poor competitiors or those who pander to them and use their votes to gain wealth and power without really earning it



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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Boo wants the rich to pay more taxes not people like him

    its the mentality that allows ultra rich dems to gain office

    people like Boo need to get walloped with tax increases before the rich do-the rich already pay the price for an overly-expansive government
    Baloney! The rich keep getting richer and pay less taxes. The super rich pay about 17% of their income in taxes. Many of them earn their billions on Wall Street which produces not a G-D thing. It's casino gambling at its worst.


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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Baloney! The rich keep getting richer and pay less taxes. The super rich pay about 17% of their income in taxes. Many of them earn their billions on Wall Street which produces not a G-D thing. It's casino gambling at its worst.
    you are lying again

    the rich pay higer rates on earned income and at least the same rates on unearned income

    stop being dishonest. if you think most of the top 2% work on wall street you really are clueless

    still waiting for you to tell me what the rich get in direct extra government benefits that the poor or middle class don't get



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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Non sequiturs aside, trickle-down economics is the most ludicrous self-justification myth of the elite since racial hierarchy.
    And trickle up poverty is the most ludicrous self-justification myth of the Liberal Elite since the Russian Revolution.
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Baloney! The rich keep getting richer and pay less taxes. The super rich pay about 17% of their income in taxes. Many of them earn their billions on Wall Street which produces not a G-D thing. It's casino gambling at its worst.
    The hard truth is the wealthy that survive the economic trouble become wealthier or should when we have times like this. They can afford to buy up the bargains, hide their cash waiting for bargains or better times, and the average Joe has more difficulty getting ahead. They see moments like this as a shopping spree for real gems because almost everything can be had at a discount. Anywhere; not just the US.

    The Top 1% pay 39% of all fed taxes.
    The Top 25% pay 86%.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05in05tr.xls

    Taxes and Income - WSJ.com
    Every Democrat running for President wants to raise taxes on "the rich," but they will have to do something miraculous to outtax President Bush. Based on the latest available tax data, no Administration in modern history has done more to pry tax revenue from the wealthy.

    Last week the Congressional Budget Office joined the IRS in releasing tax numbers for 2005, and part of the news is that the richest 1% paid about 39% of all income taxes that year. The richest 5% paid a tad less than 60%, and the richest 10% paid 70%
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess you never figured out that in almost every system, the best and the brightest or the most talented and the most lucky always win.
    A historian would laugh at that claim. Talent and intelligence beyond animal cunning are only useful in a society that protects its people from systemic failures and market externalities beyond individual control. As for luck, how long do you think a lucky break would last in a culture of predators? Whatever you can win through talent, someone with a bigger, faster gun than yours can take it in a heartbeat. Whatever you can build through hard work, some warlord or dynasty or corporation can smash it like it's nothing. Unless you are Genghis Khan or someone like him, or you are part of a country of people who stick together, you and everything you could possibly make of yourself is just food for some vulture with a private army. And anyone who does think they're Genghis Khan, all I can do is chuckle and hope they never have to find out otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I prefer complete laissez faire
    Somehow I doubt it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who push socialism fall into two categories

    poor competitiors or those who pander to them and use their votes to gain wealth and power without really earning it
    If you live in this country, hundreds of thousands of dollars of other people's money have gone into making your life what it is. You can ignore that and pretend that being born on a mountaintop makes you a giant, or you can accept that we all owe each other a fair shot in life - no exceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    And trickle up poverty is the most ludicrous self-justification myth of the Liberal Elite since the Russian Revolution.
    You're gibbering.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    A historian would laugh at that claim. Talent and intelligence beyond animal cunning are only useful in a society that protects its people from systemic failures and market externalities beyond individual control. As for luck, how long do you think a lucky break would last in a culture of predators? Whatever you can win through talent, someone with a bigger, faster gun than yours can take it in a heartbeat. Whatever you can build through hard work, some warlord or dynasty or corporation can smash it like it's nothing. Unless you are Genghis Khan or someone like him, or you are part of a country of people who stick together, you and everything you could possibly make of yourself is just food for some vulture with a private army. And anyone who does think they're Genghis Khan, all I can do is chuckle and hope they never have to find out otherwise.



    Somehow I doubt it.



    If you live in this country, hundreds of thousands of dollars of other people's money have gone into making your life what it is. You can ignore that and pretend that being born on a mountaintop makes you a giant, or you can accept that we all owe each other a fair shot in life - no exceptions.



    You're gibbering.
    Libs such as you try to create a facade that society needs punitive tax rates for the "good of society" or for "economic viability" when in reality, your true motivation is to punish the rich out of some warped sense of "social justice". This is why no matter what the evidence is you will continue to blather that tax cuts for people who already pay 40% of the federal income taxes while using less than a couple percent of the services paid for by those taxes aren't paying "enough". You are impervious to reality because what Truly motivates you is a burning desire to either afflict the comfortable or to salve your own sense of hurt that you have totally failed to be successful.



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