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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Your so wrong, and here is why. Let me show you this simple graph.
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by jkohn51192 View Post
    Your so wrong, and here is why. Let me show you this simple graph.
    What you conveniently forget to mention is that, although the debt rose during the 1980s and fell through the 1990s, Dems controlled Congress in the 80s when debt rose and Republicans controlled it in the 90s when it was dropping.

    Last time I read the Constitution, the President couldn't spend money, only Congress could.

    And of course, the national debt has skyrocketed since Dems took control back in 2006.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

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    Your so wrong, and here is why.
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What you conveniently forget to mention is that, although the debt rose during the 1980s and fell through the 1990s, Dems controlled Congress in the 80s when debt rose and Republicans controlled it in the 90s when it was dropping.

    Last time I read the Constitution, the President couldn't spend money, only Congress could.



    And of course, the national debt has skyrocketed since Dems took control back in 2006.
    What you also forgot to mention was that during 2000-2006 Republicans held all three branches of government under their control, and the deficit increased at a rate never seen before in history. Oh, now your going to say, but Obama-Reid-Pelosi did it too, what you also forgot to mention is that Bush left us with an economy that was losing 750,000 jobs A MONTH, and something needed to be done. By basic principles of economics, the best thing you can do in a recession is cut taxes, and increase government spending. That's exactly what he did, and to make money, you have to spend money, So he spent money.... and its now paying off. The stimulus took effect in Febuary '09, give it about 4-5 months to take effect and the number of jobs lost significantly increased, and we actually created jobs. Since that time, we have had 8 months of consecutive job creation IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

    Main point is: Democrats deficit spend less than republicans, when republicans deficit spend its because we are at war, or need to give tax breaks to the rich people, and when democrats do deficit spend, it is because it's nessecary,or we need to give taxes breaks to the middle class( which is usually in time of an economic crisis to stimulate the economy) take for example this recession.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    why did the party punt?

    by sluffing its responsibilities, leadership has obligated every american to pay a significantly higher tax bill, starting in just about 90 days

    for middle earners, the hike is on the order of 3 to 4000 dollars

    for small business owners, it is many times higher

    by slinking away like cowards, in front of everyone, leadership has put every member of its caucus in the position of having to campaign as partisan facilitators of major tax increases---in times like these

    that's what's happening TODAY

    it's what's ON TV

    americans, meanwhile, are looking at january first with the uncertain knowledge of exactly what their new obligations will be

    we're all asked to rely on leadership being able to move SOMETHING in its lame lame duck, pelosi's fingers firmly crossed

    our economic UNCERTAINTY is exacerbated by the party's rank incompetence

    in times like these

    TAXES are permanently a major issue in every campaign

    but per the party's pusillanimous punt expect the controversy to catapault

    this white house just can't see 2 moves ahead

    how do YOU justify leadership's courageous handling of this always central TAX question?

    are impounds to increase on all americans or only the wealthy?

    when will leadership declare?

    in DECEMBER?

    expect every republican candidate in the nation to blare the warning, loud and clear---YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP DRASTICALLY JANUARY 1

    this is an absolute disgrace, a complete lack of vision and acumen---just like dadt

    how did we get here?

    you don't demand at least base competence from those you endorse as leaders?

    still not embarrassed?

    wow

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    why did the party punt?

    by sluffing its responsibilities, leadership has obligated every american to pay a significantly higher tax bill, starting in just about 90 days

    for middle earners, the hike is on the order of 3 to 4000 dollars

    for small business owners, it is many times higher

    by slinking away like cowards, in front of everyone, leadership has put every member of its caucus in the position of having to campaign as partisan facilitators of major tax increases---in times like these

    that's what's happening TODAY

    it's what's ON TV

    americans, meanwhile, are looking at january first with the uncertain knowledge of exactly what their new obligations will be

    we're all asked to rely on leadership being able to move SOMETHING in its lame lame duck, pelosi's fingers firmly crossed

    our economic UNCERTAINTY is exacerbated by the party's rank incompetence

    in times like these

    TAXES are permanently a major issue in every campaign

    but per the party's pusillanimous punt expect the controversy to catapault

    this white house just can't see 2 moves ahead

    how do YOU justify leadership's courageous handling of this always central TAX question?

    are impounds to increase on all americans or only the wealthy?

    when will leadership declare?

    in DECEMBER?

    expect every republican candidate in the nation to blare the warning, loud and clear---YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP DRASTICALLY JANUARY 1

    this is an absolute disgrace, a complete lack of vision and acumen---just like dadt

    how did we get here?

    you don't demand at least base competence from those you endorse as leaders?

    still not embarrassed?

    wow
    rather than blaming democrats, why don't you just blame the republicans for even wanting such a stupid tax break. It seems like you lie blame with democrats just as much as republicans, but if it werent for the republicans scaring the crap out of people and telling them that they are going to be paying more taxes, in effect causing democrats poll numbers to drop, basically telling democrats that the tax break issue is too hot to handle at the moment, we would have had this issue solved already.
    "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution." --James Madison, Father of the Constitution

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by jkohn51192 View Post
    rather than blaming democrats, why don't you just blame the republicans for even wanting such a stupid tax break. It seems like you lie blame with democrats just as much as republicans, but if it werent for the republicans scaring the crap out of people and telling them that they are going to be paying more taxes, in effect causing democrats poll numbers to drop, basically telling democrats that the tax break issue is too hot to handle at the moment, we would have had this issue solved already.
    I guess its a stupid tax break when you are a net tax consumer

    when you are paying several hundred thousand a year in taxes and getting no more in return than someone who pays a couple grand a year those tax breaks were great



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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess its a stupid tax break when you are a net tax consumer

    when you are paying several hundred thousand a year in taxes and getting no more in return than someone who pays a couple grand a year those tax breaks were great

    Jeez go cry me a river. It's all about economics, put that tax break money into people who will actually spend it ( middle class) verus people who will just save it ( because economic times are uncertain) and you can expect that demand will increase ( now that people have more money to spend) and that will therefore create a demand for work. Thus more jobs. And my goodness, we are planning on raising taxes on the richest 3% of Americans, (which I doubt is you) and its only decreasing their monthly checks by less than 2 percent. Wow, really?
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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by jkohn51192 View Post
    Jeez go cry me a river. It's all about economics, put that tax break money into people who will actually spend it ( middle class) verus people who will just save it ( because economic times are uncertain) and you can expect that demand will increase ( now that people have more money to spend) and that will therefore create a demand for work. Thus more jobs. And my goodness, we are planning on raising taxes on the richest 3% of Americans, (which I doubt is you) and its only decreasing their monthly checks by less than 2 percent. Wow, really?
    More nonsense from the hypocritical left. Get this fact straight--I don't buy into the leftwing Bull poop that individuals should be sacrificed for the leftwing version of "the greater good"

    I tire of class envy and spite being concealed by this crap that you all want to jack up taxes to "help society". And I am in the top 1% whether you like it or not and I tire of people like you telling me what I can afford and your crap that the obama tax hikes is only going to result in a 2% decrease in my income is not just stupid it is so inaccurate as to brand you incompetent to even discuss this subject



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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by jkohn51192 View Post
    Jeez go cry me a river. It's all about economics, put that tax break money into people who will actually spend it ( middle class) verus people who will just save it ( because economic times are uncertain) and you can expect that demand will increase ( now that people have more money to spend) and that will therefore create a demand for work. Thus more jobs. And my goodness, we are planning on raising taxes on the richest 3% of Americans, (which I doubt is you) and its only decreasing their monthly checks by less than 2 percent. Wow, really?
    If decreasing the rich folks's checks by 2% is no big deal, then doing the same by .5% on the working folks shouldn't be no big deal, either. yes?
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