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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Corn Subsidies** in the United States totaled $73.8 billion from 1995-2009.

    How much is that a year? How much is the budget of the United States a year? Do subsidies hurt you and your family?
    Please cite your source that taxes went up because of corn subsidies? Unless taxes went up because of subsidies no money was taken out of your pocket. For the record I do not support govt. subsidies for any industry but also reject that apparent belief that Bush created these subsidies or had anything to do with them. So yes, you got me there subsidies were given to farmers but have been given to farmers for years prior to Bush taking office.

    You seem to be grasping at straws all in an attempt to divert from the Obama record. Bush vs. Obama? Hmmm, tough choice, NOT! Still waiting for you to show how anything Bush actually did hurt you or your family. Further waiting for the legislation that Obama did that "brought us back" from the brink as he claimed? Seems to me that TARP brought us back from the bring and much of that was paid back. Where did that payback go since Obama wants to blame Bush for inheriting a deficit?

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It doesn't appear that you know what Bush did, billions given? You mean tax credits? What money did Bush give to business? If you get to keep more of what you earn is the govt. really giving you anything?

    Spending on the Iraq War cost about 100 billion a year out of the 2.6-3.6 billion dollar Bush budgets over 8 years. How did that spending hurt you or your family?

    You simply don't have a clue.
    You were insulting my and demanding and exmaple where President Bush gave money to business. I gave one and now you change the subject.

    You were WRONG and tried to insult me by saying I had no clue. Admit it. Mr Conservative.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    You were insulting my and demanding and exmaple where President Bush gave money to business. I gave one and now you change the subject.

    You were WRONG and tried to insult me by saying I had no clue. Admit it. Mr Conservative.
    I asked you how Bush policy hurt you and your family since you claim he caused the economic problems we have today. Further your comments aren't even close to the thread topic. You don't have a clue but continue to buy the rhetoric. Still waiting for an answer. Then tell me which party really cares how much money you get to keep, Democrats or Republicans?

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really, being a trial attorney I find that hard to believe. the inheritance tax has destroyed alot of small farms. so have other regulations

    around where I live, there were five 150+ acre farms

    all subdivisions now-the owners died and the heirs sold the land. THe heirs didn't want to deal with all the bs and the land had skyrocketed in value
    You may find it interesting to look into it. I have a good friend who is only a few years out of school/passing the bar. He is a patent lawyer and did his dissertation, or whatever that big paper is, on "getting a patent on Life". Monsanto has a patent on certain crops the create. They add dna to the seed and if that CODE is found by a farmer who did not pay for the seeds then they sue them. Even if they never intended for the seed to show up. Its a very interesting situation. and a little disterbing if you think about it.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I asked you how Bush policy hurt you and your family since you claim he caused the economic problems we have today. Further your comments aren't even close to the thread topic. You don't have a clue but continue to buy the rhetoric. Still waiting for an answer. Then tell me which party really cares how much money you get to keep, Democrats or Republicans?
    No, you said "You mean tax credits? What money did Bush give to business?" and you also insulted me. I answered you and now you demand an answer to another thread and state that "I" am off topic. It was your question!

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    No, you said "You mean tax credits? What money did Bush give to business?" and you also insulted me. I answered you and now you demand an answer to another thread and state that "I" am off topic. It was your question!
    Look, apparently it is important to you for me to admit that I made a mistake so yes, I made a mistake on that issue and it won't be the last time. That said you still haven't answered the direct question as to how Bush policies hurt you or your family? You mentioned subsidies as if those came right out of your pocket in the form of higher taxes. Guess I missed where the taxes went up due to those subsidies and you haven't shown that to be the case.

    Further I asked you other questions but you ignored them preferring to blame Bush vs. the Congress that was controlled by the Democrats. It has been said that it took us 8 years to get into this mess when the reality is that 52 months of economic growth and job creation was part of that 8 years and the real problems began when the Demorats and Congress refused to regulate Fannie and Freddie per Bush's recommendations in 2005. The votes weren't there to do that on both sides of the aisle but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd led the charge.

    Now you can deny history and you can continue to divert from the disaster in the WH right now but results matter, not rhetoric. Economic policy matters not feelings and your personal opinions. I fully support a pro growth, pro consumer, pro business economic policy to the one that Obama has implemented. Showing a comparison between economic results ignores the policies designed to reverse the course, Bush/Reagan policies were pro private sector and Obama's is pro public sector. The results Tuesday will show which way the public is leaning.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    My issues with President Bush's economic plan is much greater than just spending but we can start there.

    Billions given to big business that makes huge profits even without it.
    I believe Conservative properly set you straight on that issue... jobs are what people want and many of them are created by "big business" which is far better than BIG GOVT. Limited govt is better for job creation unless we want everyone working for the USA Inc with Obama as the CEO.

    Looking back... the best part of the Industrial Revolution is that it opened an age of mass production for the needs of everyone. The workers are no longer people grinding merely for other people's comfort/prosperity. They [employees] are the main consumers of the products mfg by the factories. Big biz depends upon volume consumption. Today, there's not one branch of big business that wouldn't cater to the wants and needs of the masses. What does the expansion of govt provide to the average american and their families?

    The purpose of capitalist entrepreneurship is to provide for the common man.... and the common man as consumer controls whose buying or not buying which determines the fate of small and big business. That is directly related and essentially important to our economy. There is [in the market economy] no other way of acquiring and keeping wealth than by supplying the masses in the best and cheapest way with all the goods they want. Govt cannot do this and needs to stay the **** away from it...

    BTW Your friend johnny must have went to get some popcorn in the 2nd "round" ...because I saw a knockdown and you didn't throw the punch.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    You may find it interesting to look into it. I have a good friend who is only a few years out of school/passing the bar. He is a patent lawyer and did his dissertation, or whatever that big paper is, on "getting a patent on Life". Monsanto has a patent on certain crops the create. They add dna to the seed and if that CODE is found by a farmer who did not pay for the seeds then they sue them. Even if they never intended for the seed to show up. Its a very interesting situation. and a little disterbing if you think about it.
    Brilliant. Good for them for finding a way to protect their intellectual property... at home and abroad.

    If you don't want their seed, don't buy it. If you want it because it performs better; higher yield and pest resistant... then pay the piper that created it.

    This stuff isn't freeware... and farmers spray atrazine after harvesting corn. Atrazine kills stuff dead... so they shouldn't have a problem with seed showing up... especially if they rotate crops.

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    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    I believe Conservative properly set you straight on that issue... jobs are what people want and many of them are created by "big business" which is far better than BIG GOVT. Limited govt is better for job creation unless we want everyone working for the USA Inc with Obama as the CEO.

    Looking back... the best part of the Industrial Revolution is that it opened an age of mass production for the needs of everyone. The workers are no longer people grinding merely for other people's comfort/prosperity. They [employees] are the main consumers of the products mfg by the factories. Big biz depends upon volume consumption. Today, there's not one branch of big business that wouldn't cater to the wants and needs of the masses. What does the expansion of govt provide to the average american and their families?

    The purpose of capitalist entrepreneurship is to provide for the common man.... and the common man as consumer controls whose buying or not buying which determines the fate of small and big business. That is directly related and essentially important to our economy. There is [in the market economy] no other way of acquiring and keeping wealth than by supplying the masses in the best and cheapest way with all the goods they want. Govt cannot do this and needs to stay the **** away from it...

    BTW Your friend johnny must have went to get some popcorn in the 2nd "round" ...because I saw a knockdown and you didn't throw the punch.
    What I find curious is how people can hammer Big Whatever, and then turn and look to government like some lovestruck Teenie.

    Government is the Largest in these categories:

    Creditor
    Debtor Lender
    Employer
    Consumer
    Contractor
    Grantor
    Property owner
    Tenant
    Insurer
    Health-care provider
    Pension guarantor

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    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    What I find curious is how people can hammer Big Whatever, and then turn and look to government like some lovestruck Teenie.

    Government is the Largest in these categories:

    Creditor
    Debtor Lender
    Employer
    Consumer
    Contractor
    Grantor
    Property owner
    Tenant
    Insurer
    Health-care provider
    Pension guarantor

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    yeah, the populists whine that corporations have too much power and the rich have too much wealth so their solution is to concentrate more power and more wealth in the hands of a few thousand bureaucrats and politicians

    f'ing brilliant!



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