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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    My guess is that such a situation can easily backfire in an environment characterized by strong public disaffection with the current state of affairs. For example, the winning candidates who have been riding an anti-Establishment message could easily argue that the response of their defeated rivals proves that those candidates lacked any high-minded desire to serve the public. Instead, they sought office largely to preserve a status quo that the voters increasingly dislike.

    In that narrative, rather than seeking to advance the public welfare, those defeated candidates were cynically seeking the Republican nomination as a vehicle to fulfill their own quest for political power at the expense of the voters' needs, desires and interests. They could argue, the lack of gracious post-election response by their defeated opponents, even implicit support of the political Opposition, finally unmasks their true motivations and that those motivations had very little to do with public service. As a result, the winning candidates could actually paint the losing candidates into an example of precisely what many perceive is wrong with American politics today: political leaders putting their interests ahead of those of the people, political leaders readily sacrificing principle in a selfish pursuit of their own power, and political leaders casting aside the public's desires to try to perpetuate a system that they have leveraged for personal advantage over many years while incumbents, etc.

    Exactly! These RINO's are not fooling anyone anymore, and the destruction we see going on in our country to our constitution is happening on BOTH sides of the isle. IT MUST STOP!!!!! Castle was really no different than Arlen Spector (D-PA) jumping sides for political expediency. That game of his cost him, just as Castle's siding with the likes of Conyers and Feingold's impeachment aspirations backfired on him.


    On June 11, 2008, which is to say the very next day, there was a vote on the House floor to refer the bill to the House Judiciary Committee for action.
    The vote?
    Aye -- 227 Democrats
    Nay -- 166 Republicans
    Mike Castle's sudden problem?
    According to the Congressional Record, there were 24 Republican Ayes.
    That's right. 24 Republican Congressmen voted to refer a resolution of impeachment of George W, Bush to the House Judiciary Committee for action. While 166 said no.
    One of the 24 who gave a thumbs up to impeaching President Bush?
    That's right.
    That would be Congressman Mike Castle, Republican, of Delaware.

    The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Castle Vote to Impeach Bush?
    But yet we continue to hear how we are gong to lose DE now that Castle isn't on the ticket? How is having him on the ticket a win?

    Having 51, in terms of any legislation pass is not that big a deal. There really isn't any substantial difference in what will happen legislatively in the Senate between having it be Democrat-controlled or Republican-controlled with a razor-thin majority. Especially, especially when the Democrats will be able to count on the votes of Collins and Snowe and Castle. What good are 51 votes if a minimum of three of them are gonna vote with the Democrats all the time? Now you're down to 48 legislative. But, but you do have your committee chairmanships. A-ha! A-ha! You do have your committee chairmanships, and when you have committee chairmanships you have power! And the majority leader gets to decide what comes to the floor.

    So you get your chairmanships, you get control of the floor action out there. But 51 seats doesn't guarantee your agenda is gonna pass. You got Snowe, you got Collins, you had Murkowski voting with the Democrats. McCain, for crying out loud, now that he won he's probably gonna revert back to that. (impression) That's right Limbaugh! That's right! Crossing the aisle, that's what I can do. That's -- that's what I do best." So you have McCain, Murkowski, Snowe, Collins, Voinovich sometimes, and then Castle. So what good is your 51 majority? It doesn't matter a hill of beans legislatively (gasp!) but you get your chairmanships. You get more control over the money and how it's allocated and spent. Oh-ho, yes. So you see, whereas you might think these people are as interested in saving the country, changing the direction we're going at may not be the primary reason they want to be there. The primary reason they want 51 votes is to get the chairmanships.

    You're not hearing them talk about an agenda. You know, it's a tradeoff. Is it worth having Republican chairmanships if Obama's going to be able to claim bipartisanship passing his agenda? If that happens the GOP brand gets further destroyed. This is why RINOs are horrible.

    Why Senate GOP Wants 51 Seats
    it's time party partisan hacks, and DC wanna be insiders wake up....The natives are restless.


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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Exactly Wiseone.

    I don't think there's any reason he should HAVE to.

    But if you're going to condemn the consevative voters of Delaware for "essentially voting for the Democrat" or "not being pragmatic regarding the best way to get their views passed", then one would have to condemn Castle. Not putting his support behind O'Donnell hurts her chances of beating the democrat. Not helping her beat the candidate makes it less likely for Castles views to be passed.
    I think that would be a question for Castle then. Perhaps in his view O'Donnell doesn't actually best represent, between her or the Dem, his views on whats best, or perhaps her views are best against the Dem's from his perspective but he's too bitter. Thats something only Castle could answer.

    But if his personal views as to what he thinks is best line up better with O'Donnell's than Coons, than one would have to give him the same criticism I gave to the Republican primary voters to avoid being hypocritical. However if he's motivations weren't as noble as wanting to see the best, or closet to the best, things done and he was more of a politician, more concerned with winning, than he's actions wouldn't endure the same criticism because his goals would be different than the Republican primary voters. And not supporting O'Donnell would be more pragmatic if his motivation was securing a Senate seat rather than doing what he personally believes will do the most good, regardless if his opinions on whats best line up more closely with O'Donnell's than Coon's. That's assuming all of the Republican primary voters voted in such a way that they felt supported the best candidate, which I think is a fair assumption.

    So it firstly depends on his personal views, and then it depends on what he's motivations are. But yes depending on how one arranges the variables it would be hypocritical for him not to endorse O'Donnell.

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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    I don't think Castle is a sore loser; I believe he sees O'Donnell for what she is.



    A conservative firm until recently employed by the Delaware primary campaign of conservative Christine O'Donnell against Rep. Mike Castle casually leveled an extraordinary and unsupported charge of a gay affair against Castle in a video posted to its website today, the ugliest salvo yet in an extremely bitter primary.

    The newscast-style video on Liberty.com features a woman seated before a backdrop of Liberty.com's Las Vegas headquarters, criticizing Castle and praising O'Donnell.

    "Isn't Mike Castle cheating on his wife with a man?" asks a voice off-screen at the 1:55 mark.

    "That's the rumor," answers the newscaster. (A short clip of the exchange is above.)

    My colleague Dave Catanese reported earlier this month that O'Donnell's spokesman, Yates Walker, works for Liberty.com, and the American Spectator described Eric Odom, the group's founder, as having "joined Team O'Donnell" to organize online support.

    Walker told me he and the firm left the campaign two weeks ago and produced the video on their own.

    "We asked the question, we didn't specifically say it," he said of the gay affair charge, which he said was "common knowledge" in Delaware. "We thought we'd throw it out there."

    Walker said he had no compunction about repeating the rumor about Castle because "he's a threat to American sovereignty."

    He didn't offer any evidence for the claim.

    O'Donnell campaign manager Matt Moran didn't immediately respond to a call for comment.

    Castle campaign manager Mike Quaranta didn't comment on the substance of the attack, but said in an e-mail:

    "Sadly these are the types of gutter tactics that voters in Delaware have come to expect from Christine O'Donnell and her out-of-state supporters."
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...ware_race.html

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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't know why this is a big deal. After all, they don't share political views. That's why the primary was so heated, after all - Castle is more socially liberal than O'Donnell is. So why should a politician who doesn't share political views with a candidate be forced to endorse a candidate?
    Because you are supposed to unite behind a candidate after the primary as the looser. Its painfully common practice.
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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by sokpupet View Post
    I don't think Castle is a sore loser; I believe he sees O'Donnell for what she is.





    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...ware_race.html

    I see, so it is "gutter politics" to question is Castle is providing a little reach around, (which we all know wouldn't be unheard of lately, and sadly) in a campaign where Castle has engaged in attacking O'Donnell's private life? I see, I can do it but you better not....

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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Where did Castle attack her "private" life?

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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see, so it is "gutter politics" to question is Castle is providing a little reach around, (which we all know wouldn't be unheard of lately, and sadly) in a campaign where Castle has engaged in attacking O'Donnell's private life? I see, I can do it but you better not....
    It was a vicious heavily faught campaign, both sides hit under the belt a few times and no one can claim a "moral high ground" in regards to that.

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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't know why this is a big deal. After all, they don't share political views. That's why the primary was so heated, after all - Castle is more socially liberal than O'Donnell is. So why should a politician who doesn't share political views with a candidate be forced to endorse a candidate?
    I sort of agree...the only difference being that MOST candidates support the victor in the party. Hell...Bill Clinton went from touting Obamas inexeperience and being called a racist to then speaking for him and promoting him as suddenly 'qualified'.

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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Quote Originally Posted by sokpupet View Post
    Where did Castle attack her "private" life?
    Going after her on the grounds that she had problems with personal finances at a point in her life may indeed seem relevant to the job in Senate, but it sure seemed smarmy.


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    Re: Mike Castle Won't Endorse Christine O'Donnell

    Seems to me if you can't afford something then you shouldn't "buy in". To apologize for her mismanagement of her finances to the point of losing her home is juxtapose to the right's meme of fiscal responsibility.

    Delaware politics: Tea party unconcerned about O'Donnell's money problems | delawareonline.com | The News Journal
    ~snip
    During her 2008 Senate campaign against Joe Biden, O'Donnell amassed thousands of dollars in campaign debt, was confronted by the IRS about unpaid income taxes and sold her Wilmington home to a campaign staffer to avoid a sheriff's sale ordered to settle mortgage claims.

    As of her last campaign finance report, O'Donnell still had $11,751 in unpaid campaign debt from her 2008 bid. Regardless, the conservative group remains committed to O'Donnell.
    I don't consider it "going after her" to enlighten the voters of a candidates inability to manage their own personal finances. RE: Tim Geithner
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